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Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by Karsteski on Monday July 26, 2021 @08:08AM (#27958429)
An aside, this lady's accomplishments at her age make her someone I look up to, ngl
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by fsf-non-intern on Monday July 26, 2021 @10:29AM (#27959774)
She (rightly) got the internship at the FSF the year I applied [1], so now I feel envious every time I read about something amazing she did.

[1] https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/introducing-alyssa-rosenz...

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by kleiba on Monday July 26, 2021 @08:41AM (#27958657)
Actually, that's not too surprising, given that a lot of technically minded folks start digging into their craft in their early teens. I think that it's only natural to get most of your accomplishments in at a relatively younger age, when your independence is at its peak. Like, say, once you become a husband and father, there's no time for anything any more.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by grumpyprole on Monday July 26, 2021 @04:07PM (#27964699)
Can confirm, as a father of two kids, I get no time or energy for projects. I used to get two 30 minute train journeys pre-covid. I'm not at all unhappy with this situation, but do still occasionally wish I had done more when I was younger.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by jjuel on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:26AM (#27960605)
Can confirm that with 3 kids under 3 I have ZERO time to do anything I would like to programing wise outside of work.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by vaxman on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:00PM (#27963730)
You’re holding it wrong.

Seek tech partnerships with others lacking such time constraints and optimize shared responsibilities with existing partners. YOLO Time waits for no man.

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by daptaq on Monday July 26, 2021 @11:58AM (#27961045)
How do people react to information like this? Personally, it just makes me feel bad for myself, especially when I don't know the person in question. Most people usually react positively, but I am not sure if this is some kind of a "If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything"-mentality, or if I am the bad one.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by cbhl on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:16PM (#27962100)
Feeling bad is not that unusual of a feeling here; achieving great things when you're young requires a combination of hard work, privilege, and supportive adults (parents/teachers/etc) and most people just didn't (or don't) have the same opportunities.

It's important to develop constructive (or at least non-destructive) habits to handle these feelings. I'd suggest "A Guide to the Good Life" by William Braxton Irvine as a resource. The right therapist can also help you "unpack" these feelings (although the different styles can be hit-or-miss for you, so shop around when you're on a "good" day).

I think that it's okay to set a personal goal for yourself that's different; the most you can ask of yourself is to try to contribute to society as best you can, whether that's "I'm working on the farm making food" or "I work at a big tech company and donate $5 to the campaign" or "I mentor startup founders".

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by isaacimagine on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:51PM (#27964500)
I agree with your larger point, but I disagree with this bit:

> achieving great things when you're young requires a combination of hard work, privilege, and supportive adults (parents/teachers/etc) and most people just didn't (or don't) have the same opportunities.

I think that it's easy to externalize emotions about success in young people by projecting the help of an adult as the driving factor for that young person's success. Although this may be true in some cases, there are a large number of young motivated people who are just self-starters, with or without the resources of a backing adult.

I say this because, more than privilege or adult support, I think success at a young age boils down to hard work (as you've mentioned), having passion, and being prepared for luck, i.e. taking advantage of opportunities.

I think parents and teachers play a large role in the development of a person: this is obvious. What I'm not a fan of is when people lessen the success of a young person by shifting the accomplishment to be a simple cause of the environment in which they were raised, rather than the efforts and attitudes of the person who put the work in to accomplish what they did. Support ≠ doing it for them.

To summarize: I agree with your larger point (to not beat yourself up when seeing a great accomplishment at a young age) but disagree that success at a young age hinges on privilege and parents over luck and perseverance.

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by vaxman on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:09PM (#27963888)
That is totally wrong. Young slackers without economic standing, waring parents that have no clue who has actual custody and guidance from only small minded individuals hiding from reality as “teachers” can, and frequently do, achieve great things. Those further Deep Thoughts about ‘unpacking feelings’ make me want to projectile vomit.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by darkandbrooding on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:49PM (#27963565)
You and (other person) started your lives on different dates, in different places, in unique circumstances; you are statistically unlikely to end those lives at the same time and place. If the two of you appear to be following the same path for a portion of those lives just enjoy the company while it lasts. There is no single, universal measure of success, so the fact that one person's achievements exceed your own in one area is cause to celebrate that other person but not a reason to feel bad about yourself. Be better than you were yesterday, be kind to those around you. Your story (hopefully) has decades left to tell. It probably includes major characters that you haven't even met yet.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by clipradiowallet on Monday July 26, 2021 @12:06PM (#27961158)
It makes me happy just seeing non-corporate kernel work. Signals [continuing] long term health of linux IMHO.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by Karsteski on Monday July 26, 2021 @12:05PM (#27961146)
What do you mean? What I said is a compliment
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by daptaq on Monday July 26, 2021 @12:11PM (#27961211)
I was generally speaking about praising someone's accomplishments because/despite of their age.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by megous on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:16PM (#27962107)
I get some praise for my FOSS work. Nobody mentions my gender or age ever, though. :) It would feel kinda weird I guess.

I mostly don't care about the praise, because it's not the motivating factor. I usually interpret it non-presonally as the other person being excited about similar things I am. (probably a projection, but whatever)

Also in > 80% of cases the communication goes 1) praise 2) I need this. :) So, being praised is associated with someone wanting something from me, by now.

The best praise is the one that comes with a donation. :)

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by Karsteski on Monday July 26, 2021 @12:14PM (#27961268)
Idk, maybe it depends on the person. I would take it positively, as its an accomplishment regardless of their age, but even more so given how young the person is.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by edgyquant on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:39PM (#27962445)
I think that’s the point. It’s easy to feel useless when people younger than you have better accomplishments.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by Karsteski on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:16PM (#27963060)
Well I certainly don't feel useless lol... People's lives have different paths, but regardless I admire when someone does something cool wrt tech
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by CyberRabbi on Monday July 26, 2021 @01:24PM (#27962231)
Why would you feel bad? There is nothing stopping you from working harder. There are still lots of hardware without open source drivers that needs reverse engineering.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by jvanderbot on Monday July 26, 2021 @03:56PM (#27964554)
Tech is skewed so strongly towards the young, that I thought your comment implied the author was old, not young.

A teen hacking together something awesome is commonplace. A 65 year old doing it is less so?

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by tome on Monday July 26, 2021 @09:10AM (#27958910)
Even further aside, how are you deducing her age? Her photograph? I didn't see anything prominent about her age anywhere.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by Karsteski on Monday July 26, 2021 @09:12AM (#27958933)
I tend to check out the personal websites of people with cool accomplishments
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by tome on Monday July 26, 2021 @09:28AM (#27959082)
I don't even see an age there ... are you inferring it from her student status? Anyway, not that it's a big deal, I was just curious!
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by pantalaimon on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:31PM (#27963291)
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by oxygenoxy on Monday July 26, 2021 @09:34AM (#27959150)
Her resume is up on her personal website.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by mariodiana on Monday July 26, 2021 @09:44AM (#27959263)
Her résumé states she was a National Merit finalist in 2019, a scholarship competition for high school students.

#EMDW

https://www.nationalmerit.org/s/1758/interior.aspx?sid=1758&...

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by megous on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:24PM (#27963169)
Young hackers show us that becoming a hacker doesn't require that much time. A few years, perhaps. :)
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by oblio on Monday July 26, 2021 @05:45PM (#27965879)
My bet is that they started hacking (with help/guidance, most likely) since when they were able to read, which could have been as early as 3-4. So at this point they probably have 10+ years of experience and probably thousands of hours of practice.

Still amazing.

But coding is easy to get started with. Now, a 14 year old world renowned notary, that I will probably not see within my lifetime :-))

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by rowanG077 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @08:37AM (#27971670)
I don't really believe notary is harder or easier then programming. However there are very crucial reasons that you will never see a 14 year old world renowned notary.

1. It's a protected job in most countries 2. It's just boring for kids.

In addition with programming you can create and mod games which is how a lot of people start their first programming steps as a kid. Kids don't just start programming because they think hmm I want to program. No they want to do something and to do it they have program. There is 0 incentive for a kid to do notary work.

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by oblio on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @09:30AM (#27972169)
> harder

> 1. It's a protected job in most countries

Not all things which are difficult to do are difficult because laws of physics do not allow them ;-)

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by rowanG077 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @12:16PM (#27974181)
Huh? How are laws of physics even remotely related to a kid learning any adult profession?
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by oblio on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @02:39PM (#27975914)
I'll rephrase my previous comment: because being a notary is a protected profession in most country, it's hard (probably impossible) for a kid to become a successful notary.

Sometimes "hard" means "other people make it hard". It doesn't mean that it's hard in the sense that you have to discover new things or go to other worlds or be able to read binary code fluently while it's scrolling down the screen, Matrix-style :-)

Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by rowanG077 on Wednesday July 28, 2021 @02:36PM (#27987771)
Then I misunderstood your point. You are only impressed by something a child does if it's impossible?
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by rtz121 on Monday July 26, 2021 @02:25PM (#27963177)
> this lady's

Immediately knew where this was going.

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Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by rtz121 on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @01:45AM (#27969035)
Seems like you didn't get what I was on about. Very sad.
Re:Debian GNU/Linux running bare metal on the Apple M1 with ... by i_am_new_here on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @03:03AM (#27969472)
Thanks for pointing out to me that I did't get something/anything from the word you uttered.

Also thank you for pointing it out and not taking up the chance to start voluptuous chatter, now.

You must be a man of sparse words.