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Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by mmarq on Sunday July 25, 2021 @05:46AM (#27947972)
The existence of coaches and scrum masters is the result of decisions of management, that see agile as a way of getting daily reports from the team through the daily standup.

I don’t think that people who don't write or never wrote software should have a place in a software development team. We don’t allow scrum masters and agile coaches in hospitals and ask them to “improve the process”, because we know the only “improvement” we will get is millions of dead and injured. But for whatever reason we allow freshly minted certified scrum masters to lecture seasoned professionals on process, to organise 19 meetings a day to discuss the differences between scrum and agile and, in general, to unleash havoc and destruction.

Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by AndyPa32 on Sunday July 25, 2021 @05:55AM (#27948005)
This is exactly what drove me off my last team. We were seasoned developers with a combined experience of more than 50 years, 25 of them in scrum. And we were assigned a scrum master that never worked in software development before, fresh of the scrum master training and was telling us in a very condescending tone, how we could improve ourselves and our team. That guy didn't know anything about software development, not anything about our problem domain and nothing really about our client or users. It was ridiculous.
Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by walshemj on Sunday July 25, 2021 @11:05AM (#27949676)
How can you even get a Job as a "scrum master" with no experience in development or the industry.

You should collectively have just refused to work for them in this case.

Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by wheelinsupial on Tuesday July 27, 2021 @11:54PM (#27980101)
The consultant that comes into your company decides to start by applying scrum to software development teams. Leadership likes this new approach and expands it to other departments. Now you have scrum masters who were previously accountants, marketers, HR, and other business domain experts. Consultant decides that it’s in the scrum coaching team’s best interest to let the scrum masters determine where they are placed. Scrum masters want to work on software because other companies pay more. All scrum masters converge to become involved in software teams.
Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by xorcist on Sunday July 25, 2021 @07:04AM (#27948274)
> We don’t allow scrum masters and agile coaches in hospitals

They're not called scrum masters but the healthcare industry is absolutely full of them. One peculiar thing about the covid crisis was, at least around this particular corner of the planet, in the all-hands-on-deck situation where everyone on the floor in healthcare had to help out, these people suddenly found other things to do. It was impressive to see what could be accomplished when everyone was focused on a singular goal, without a coach in sight. I'm sure there's a lesson there somewhere.

Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by schwurb on Sunday July 25, 2021 @08:33AM (#27948713)
> I'm sure there's a lesson there somewhere. There sure is: Having one goal and being able to allocate all/most resources towards that goal. The problem is that this is not sustainable. Times of crisis usually ends and then what? Then we are back at square one with "How do we allocate our scarse resources between these really important 4-5 goals?"

Concluding: It is certainly refreshing how efficient groups can be once a crisis forces all attention towards one single goal. (Perhaps unfortuntately) that is not a reliable (crisises are usually not predictable) nor sustainable (other goals tend to get neglected in crisis mode).

Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by dsr_ on Sunday July 25, 2021 @09:08AM (#27948909)
A fair number of hospitals have been taken over by MBAs. The result is generally more money for the administration, and cost-cutting elsewhere.

Since the purpose of a hospital is not to make money but to improve health-related outcomes, this is usually bad.

On the other hand, it turns out that focus on improving health-related outcomes by applying science and statistics works really well... and usually decreases costs, too.

Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by Aeolun on Sunday July 25, 2021 @08:22AM (#27948639)
> I don’t think that people who don't write or never wrote software should have a place in a software development team

This is no guarantee any more. Newly minted managers coming from a development position that have only ever worked in dysfunctional organisations (and got promoted from within) will only reinforce the existing bad practices.

Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by jim-jim-jim on Sunday July 25, 2021 @06:00AM (#27948027)
> We don’t allow scrum masters and agile coaches in hospitals

Give it a few years.

Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by brnt on Sunday July 25, 2021 @08:48AM (#27948776)
My hospital had them 10 years ago. Leaving is, second to marrying my wife, the best decision I ever made. Hospitals are, much to my sincere regret, not able to attract much talent in IT. Mediocrity is the best you can hope for, and I wouldn't even count on that.
Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by dsr_ on Sunday July 25, 2021 @09:10AM (#27948921)
It is the same as the government IT problem: if you can make much more money in private practice, why would you work at a hospital or government? Selling software to the hospitals or government is a better deal.
Re:Agile at 20: The Failed Rebellion by CRConrad on Sunday August 01, 2021 @03:24PM (#28029075)
> Hospitals are, much to my sincere regret, not able to attract much talent in IT.

I think the GP meant "in hospitals" as in "among medical people", doctors and nurses, not IT staff.