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Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by bcrosby95 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @01:24AM (#27938651)
Even in the most water efficient cities people use 40 gallons per day. You're talking $10 per person per day just for water. A family of four would spend at least $1,200 per month on water. Even desalination is way cheaper than 25 cents per gallon.
Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by ridgeguy on Saturday July 24, 2021 @01:28AM (#27938686)
I think OP wrote .25¢/gallon, not 25¢/gallon.
Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by mattashii on Saturday July 24, 2021 @05:52AM (#27939539)
40 gallons per day, aka roughly 180L. How would I even use that much water? My estimate for own use gets to about 120L, with fairly pessimistically high values:

20L /toilet flush, x 3

30L /shower,

5L /dishes,

20L /laundry x ~ 0.2

1L for drinking

What in the world would I need to drain another 40L / 8 gallons into?

Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by watersb on Saturday July 24, 2021 @03:19PM (#27943695)
The dirt-cheap clothes washing machine in our apartment was much appreciated, but easily ran 30+ gallons per load of laundry.

I replaced it with a washer that uses less than a third of that. The kids would generate a 5 loads of laundry per week, and my suggestions that we use less were... not well received.

The other fixtures here are very nicely maintained, a great landlord, but the plumbing is 40 years old. While it's no longer possible to purchase a toliet that uses four gallons per flush, they are still everywhere.

Legislation? Tighter ordinances? Good luck getting those passed, or enforced. And however necessary, the replacement of antiquated plumbing appliances amount to extremely regressive taxation: those with the least money would bear most of the financial cost.

Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by koolba on Saturday July 24, 2021 @07:15AM (#27939897)
Own a property with a lawn or garden.
Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by FractalParadigm on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:19AM (#27940268)
Sounds like the easiest solution to that is to do-away with non-native plants (i.e. Kentucky bluegrass, which could be considered an invasive species in North America) and do something more along the lines of what the OP did in this Reddit post*[0], a wildflower alternative of all-native plants (and although it's only a small section this year, OP claims their parents have expressed interest in expanding it). It requires basically zero maintenance, and is incredibly beneficial to the local environment.

[0]: https://redd.it/oph88p

*It's pointed out a few times that only a few of the plants are local native species, many aren't North American at all.

Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by spiderice on Saturday July 24, 2021 @12:27PM (#27942245)
"Solutions" like these make me laugh. How is renovating the yard of essentially every urban/suburban home in North America even a remotely easy solution? This actually sounds like basically the hardest solution because the only way to make it happen is by passing laws that absolutely nobody is willing to pass.
Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by b3morales on Saturday July 24, 2021 @01:21PM (#27942739)
A lot of public policy work is figuring out how to achieve a certain goal without directly mandating a particular action.

For example, what if water wasn't billed at a flat rate? Each building could have an allotment based on size and expected occupancy. One rate within that amount, and a higher rate for each unit over it. Calculate the level such that essential water usage is affordable and watering a large lawn becomes a luxury.

I doubt that exact plan is workable without further elaboration; the law of unintended consequences is powerful. But the point is that "we should have more sustainable landscaping" doesn't necessarily equate directly to "ban all grass".

Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by boomlinde on Saturday July 24, 2021 @08:29AM (#27940333)
If you pour eight gallons of water on your lawn daily you deserve to pay out of your nose for it.
Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by socialist_coder on Saturday July 24, 2021 @02:49PM (#27943478)
Yeah... in any conversation about how to preserve and protect our water, lawns will be the 1st thing to go. And good riddance too! They are utterly useless.
Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by woofyman on Saturday July 24, 2021 @10:46AM (#27941383)
I live in an apartment and use 1750 gallons a month.
Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by antihero on Saturday July 24, 2021 @07:01AM (#27939836)
$0.10 per day. Which is fine.
Re:Without Enough Water to Go Around, Farmers in California ... by whoknowswhat11 on Saturday July 24, 2021 @01:43AM (#27938758)
Water would cost $12 per month which is fair and lower than almost all existing urban water costs . A corner store sells water for $$ per gallon. The tax on a bottle would be small fraction of a penny