Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by sandycheeks on Friday July 22, 2011 @10:39AM
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Deciding where we spend money is a power we all possess and should use to avoid supporting people and institutions that we do not wish to give our power to.
Self censoring our exposure to views and arguments that we think might be opposed to our own views and beliefs because we don't want to give them a pageview will always be used to manipulate us.
Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by Andrenid on Friday July 22, 2011 @09:56AM
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It'd be really cool if this add-on + the Murdoch Block extension on Chrome actually redirected you to a Google News search using the title of the page you were trying to visit, so you could find an alternate source for the news item you were trying to visit. (Of course you'd need to add the block list to Google News, which is thankfully possible too).
Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by nolok on Friday July 22, 2011 @10:16AM
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Since I both agree and disagree with you (what you say is true, but at the same time a few outlets tend to be very high quality even if it disagree with their traditionnal ideas while some try to impose their views no matter what), I would say that the best solution would be an extension telling you which way the paper tends to defends, "this webpage is mostly pushing for right-wing/free market view" or something like that. Know what and who you are reading, then get informed by both side on the subject at hand.
Then is no right and wrong sides, only opinions (at least that's how I view it).
Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by CWuestefeld on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:09AM
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this webpage is mostly pushing for right-wing/free market view
I'm digressing badly, but it's a character flaw of mine that I can't let this statement go.
The right-wing treatment of the market (i.e., the set of policies pursued by GWB and his ilk) is anything but "free market". The predominant Conservative policies are better described as "corporatist" in that they explicitly support corporate interests.
In some ways, a free market resembles this, because they both demand that consumer interests practice "caveat emptor", because there are fewer regulations that constrain what businesses can do.
But contrast to this, a free market system would also refuse to tilt the playing field in favor of the corporations, against the consumer or broader public interests [1]. So rent-seeking policies that institutionalize certain business interests would be avoided, for example. The "too-big-to-fail" idea would certainly gain no traction in a free market.
[1] While the Conservatives are usually the ones stereotyped as being corporatist, the Liberals are every bit as guilty. Consider such "left-wing" policies as ethanol subsidies, or the recent bailout, fostered by Democrats, of GM and Chrysler.
Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by nolok on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:39AM
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Just FYI, I'm french and here right wing means a whole different thing so I just took I wild guess at what that would mean for the average reader here. Thanks for the additional information though.
Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by CWuestefeld on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:54AM
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Sorry, nothing personal. Your statement was an accurate characterization of the prevailing public thought (i.e., that's what most people seem to believe), and that's why I reacted to it that way.
Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by johnchristopher on Friday July 22, 2011 @10:30AM
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>Then is no right and wrong sides, only opinions (at least that's how I view it).
And that is your opinion :)
More seriously: it's not because two things are opposite that there both weight the same or are both valuable different opinions regarding the same set of facts.. it just may be that one of them is wrong. There are bad news reporting and good journalism.
I like the idea of your extension. But how would you decide who is to describe the article and how to asses its value and honesty ? Coulnd't this be easily subject to manipulation as comments in general ?
Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by zipdog on Friday July 22, 2011 @10:43AM
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nationalgeographic.com is included because the Nat Geo tv channel is 2/3 owned by News, but otherwise the list looked about right (media outlets controlled by Murdoch companies).
Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by zipdog on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:09AM
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But the website is for the magazine, which is independently controlled by the NGS. The page does include a section for the tv channel, so I can see the logic, it just struck me as an anomoly.
Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by dpritchett on Friday July 22, 2011 @11:17AM
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Thanks for the clarification. In that case I agree with you. Moving from "owned by News" to "partners with News in a related venture" is a huge scope creep for the extension.
Re:Firefox Add-on Warns When You Visit a Murdoch Owned Website
by aj700 on Friday July 22, 2011 @12:06PM
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Which would be very useful if he was the puppetmaster of the universe that leftists believe him to be. Be he isn't. Goldman fucking Sachs. Bailouts produce conspiracy theorists, and tea parties, Mr President. If nobody had received one, passing there wouldn't have been a backlash against big government, and passing the budget would be a piece of cake.
Self censoring our exposure to views and arguments that we think might be opposed to our own views and beliefs because we don't want to give them a pageview will always be used to manipulate us.
Boycott goods, not ideas.
Then is no right and wrong sides, only opinions (at least that's how I view it).
I'm digressing badly, but it's a character flaw of mine that I can't let this statement go.
The right-wing treatment of the market (i.e., the set of policies pursued by GWB and his ilk) is anything but "free market". The predominant Conservative policies are better described as "corporatist" in that they explicitly support corporate interests.
In some ways, a free market resembles this, because they both demand that consumer interests practice "caveat emptor", because there are fewer regulations that constrain what businesses can do.
But contrast to this, a free market system would also refuse to tilt the playing field in favor of the corporations, against the consumer or broader public interests [1]. So rent-seeking policies that institutionalize certain business interests would be avoided, for example. The "too-big-to-fail" idea would certainly gain no traction in a free market.
[1] While the Conservatives are usually the ones stereotyped as being corporatist, the Liberals are every bit as guilty. Consider such "left-wing" policies as ethanol subsidies, or the recent bailout, fostered by Democrats, of GM and Chrysler.
And that is your opinion :)
More seriously: it's not because two things are opposite that there both weight the same or are both valuable different opinions regarding the same set of facts.. it just may be that one of them is wrong. There are bad news reporting and good journalism.
I like the idea of your extension. But how would you decide who is to describe the article and how to asses its value and honesty ? Coulnd't this be easily subject to manipulation as comments in general ?