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Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by djrogers on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:49AM (#27883946)
> Apple is seems almost as bad too. There's recommendations that I don't want.

The main AppleTV UI doesn’t have any recommendations for streaming apps you don’t own - the only thing that’s even close are when you highlight one of the apps in the top bar.

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by bound008 on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:02PM (#27884873)
Just to clarify. The Apple TV (tvOS) interface gives extra functionality to apps on the top row of the launcher. (you have full control over ordering the apps). This functionality allows the apps to show whatever preview content they want per the SDK. Some show continue watching, and then suggestions, others show nothing. But you are in charge of what apps are on the top row.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by thewebcount on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:17PM (#27885662)
Also, you can change the setting fore the TV.app so the large banner on the home screen only shows television shows and movies you have added to "Up Next". Go to "Settings" > "Apps" > "TV" and change the "Top Shelf" setting to "Up Next" instead of "What To Watch".
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by srswtf123 on Monday July 19, 2021 @05:13PM (#27887316)
This tip is very much appreciated, thank you
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by tokamak-teapot on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:34PM (#27885197)
Thanks. I didn’t know why I was somehow immune to the Apple TV+ advertising and why I just saw Spotify recommendations.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by true_religion on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:22PM (#27884365)
It does however have a lot of space dedicated to advertising shows in paid apps that you may not own inside of the AppleTV app itself which you use to track your own owned and subscribed content.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by metasaval on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:58PM (#27884832)
The first thing I did when I got my ATV4K was change the TV button to go to the home screen instead of the TV app and have not used the app for anything. A far cry from ads being on the home screen itself.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by sdflhasjd on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:54AM (#27884010)
That is certainly better than the Shield, which is giving me recommendations for stuff I don't subscribe to.

As far as I understand though, is that it will show recommendations provided by installed apps. I do have Prime, and I still don't really want recommendations without explicitly asking for it.

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by js2 on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:48PM (#27885353)
FWIW, I own both a Shield Pro and an Apple TV. I use my Apple TV most of the time. I find it a much nicer interface. The only time I use the Shield is with Plex for watching Blu-rays that I've ripped because it supports pass-through of Dolby TrueHD and the Apple TV does not.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by nyjah on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:22PM (#27884360)
The appleTV app might do that, but I use the AppleTV and just avoid the appleTV app and it doesn't interfere with anything. If I had an ad appear one day I'd throw the whole thing away.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by afavour on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:03PM (#27884111)
If I recall you can disable this on a per-app basis.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by siegecraft on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:23PM (#27884381)
This is different from the recommendation "channels" that each app can provide. You can choose whether or not each one shows up on the home screen, re-order them, and so on.

This is a giant banner at the top of the home page that shows ads from random streaming services that you may or may not subscribe to or have installed.

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by ocdtrekkie on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:54AM (#27884009)
As an iOS user, there's a couple weird ones: Apple prohibits apps from putting ads in notifications, but sends a notification ad for every new Apple TV+ show. "Rules for thee, but not for me"
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by reaperducer on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:13PM (#27884245)
For those of you not on iOS, here's what one of those notification spams from Apple looks like:

https://twitter.com/Reaperducer/status/1393380938642563072

See also:

Ads for Apple Music, Apple Arcade, and Apple's fitness thing at the top of the Settings app.

https://twitter.com/Reaperducer/status/1390696646854397955

Fake notification alerts in the App Store to get you to tap on the Apple Arcade button to show you a subscription ad.

Spam from Apple that I can't seem to stop receiving, even though I'm unsubscribed from every Apple list. I've gone as far as to contact AppleCare about it. I spent an hour on the phone with someone at AppleCare who couldn't explain why I keep getting Apple Arcade spam in my e-mail.

https://twitter.com/Reaperducer/status/1394843930932523015

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by abacadaba on Monday July 19, 2021 @06:57PM (#27888251)
!$#!#@

just when i'm just about ready to pull the trigger and switch to iOS you tell me this..

save us pinephone

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by wlesieutre on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:03PM (#27884890)
Apple no longer prohibits ads in notifications as of March last year

https://9to5mac.com/2020/03/04/apple-now-allows-push-notific...

Good way to get your notification privileges revoked though. I wish Apple would add granular notification categories within apps so that you could approve particular types of notifications while denying others. A quick google says Android 8 did this in 2017.

Apple's policy on this is to require in-app configuration to opt out of marketing messages, rather than a way to configure it through the OS.

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by radley on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:32PM (#27886442)
Essentially, Apple blocked it until they needed it to promote their services in more channels.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by RandallBrown on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:13PM (#27884988)
Apple is adding something like what you want in iOS 15. https://openback.com/blog/wwdc-2021-ios-15-push-notification...
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by wlesieutre on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:42PM (#27885276)
Sort of like what I want, but relies of developers to decide what is passive/active/time-sensitive/critical, and instead of being able to fix it the only recourse is to say "no notifications."

I do see what Apple is going for, in that these predefined categories let you automate notification handling with Focus modes, but I have a feeling a lot of apps will have an inflated opinion of how important "new episodes of ____ are available" is to me.

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by pseudalopex on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:29PM (#27885800)
Many apps send marketing notifications anyway. And there seems to be no way to report it.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by wlesieutre on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:41PM (#27885924)
Not sure what you mean by "send marketing notifications anyway," since they are allowed to do that now.

Are you saying they do it after you opt-out of the marketing notifications in-app?

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by pseudalopex on Tuesday July 20, 2021 @03:38PM (#27898251)
Yes.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by kart23 on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:04PM (#27884137)
Those are so annoying. Thankfully you can turn the notifications off.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by marcellus23 on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:00PM (#27884065)
To be honest, Apple never enforces that rule on third parties anyway.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by devoutsalsa on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:59AM (#27884061)
The good ol' "do as I say & not as I do" routine.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by ssimpson on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:17PM (#27884285)
Youtube app update and now has a huge banner ad at the top when you start it up. Very annoying!
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by aaronbrethorst on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:22PM (#27884372)
This is Apple's fault how?
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by swiley on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:24PM (#27884398)
Pushing people to use "apps" instead of the web where poor behavior just makes your own product crappier.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by Despegar on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:31PM (#27884485)
Websites are unregulated. iOS apps have to abide by Apple's terms. This is exactly why developers are mad about any number of things: paying Apple's commission, but also complying with their privacy dictates.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by swiley on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:40PM (#27884610)
Apparently Apple's terms aren't that great for some users.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by mumblemumble on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:36PM (#27885218)
I've noticed, for example, that they seem to be particularly upsetting to Android users.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by babypuncher on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:59PM (#27886683)
How so?
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by howinteresting on Monday July 19, 2021 @06:20PM (#27887960)
As a really simple example, the App Store does not have a torrent remote app while the Play Store and F-Droid have them.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by syntheticnature on Monday July 19, 2021 @12:34PM (#27884530)
If you want a computer connected to your TV instead of a streaming box, you know where to find it.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by everdrive on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:33PM (#27886443)
That's right. I couldn't stream very well from my RPi3, but I can easily play local 1080p videos. We've actually got it hooked up to an old tube TV, so I get 480p when I can.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by swiley on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:58PM (#27885455)
This is what I do. Many streaming services artificially degrade the quality and sometimes refuse to work at all when I do this.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by 6510 on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:34PM (#27885206)
My HP mini is to crappy to play youtube videos on its tiny poor resolution screen even playing them on the lowest resolution (which shouldn't even count) but if I download the videos and attach a huge monitor to it VLC just cruises though GB+ sized HD video files without dropping a frame. Transmission is good enough. Spend another 7 euro on a TB storage device[0] - you deserve it! More movies to watch than your health can take.

The digital prison builders are less offensive than their supporters. Remember to point and laugh when they complaint about their self-funded captivity. Its an important public service to point and laugh as they are paving the way for our imprisonment. We clearly didn't laugh hard enough in the past.

edit:

[0] - for the pun ill add a promotional link: https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/311843/bestmedia-platinum-my...

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by 6510 on Monday July 19, 2021 @11:33PM (#27889796)
I'm still laughing.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by sdflhasjd on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:52PM (#27885396)
Not that it's Apple's fault that YouTube has ads. But Apple don't seem to allow any alternative YouTube clients on the store.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by revscat on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:00PM (#27885479)
Hm. My immediate counter to your point was “that is because YouTube doesn’t allow anyone to use their api,” but now that I think about it I’m not so sure.

Is it Apple keeping non-Google-produced YouTube clients off the App Store, or is it Apple? Maybe both?

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by Jcowell on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:18PM (#27885670)
Apple have policy that apps cannot be on the store that use a unauthorized API’s
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by jader201 on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:44PM (#27885300)
My “Up Next”, which is Apple’s integration to show shows you’ve been watching when the Apple TV app is selected in the top bar, is polluted constantly with MLB games that I’ve not figured out how to disable. Sometimes I have to skip 3 or 4 games in the bar to find a show I watched yesterday.

And I never watch MLB games nor do I have the app installed (clicking the games brings me to install the MLB app).

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by crooked-v on Monday July 19, 2021 @01:55PM (#27885426)
Settings -> Apps -> TV, turn off the sports recommendations in there. Those are off by default, so you must have turned them on at some point.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by jader201 on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:00PM (#27885476)
Yeah, I’ve done that plus one other remotely related setting. Doesn’t help.

E.g. “Show sports scores” is off, “Games in Up Next” is off, and “Exciting Games” is off.

Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by thewebcount on Monday July 19, 2021 @02:19PM (#27885689)
FWIW, I have all those things on and have never seen anything sports-related. I have changed the settings for the TV app to only show what's in "Up Next" instead of "What to Watch", though. Maybe that's the difference?
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by jader201 on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:34PM (#27886454)
Yeah, I’ve had that set to show “Up Next” for a while. I use it mainly as quick access to series I’m watching. Which is why having MLB games show up in the middle of them is frustrating.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by mh- on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:42PM (#27886533)
Is the MLB app installed? Is it in the top row?
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by jader201 on Monday July 19, 2021 @06:05PM (#27887803)
Nope, not sure it’s ever been installed (not 100% sure, but it’s definitely not installed now). Like I said, clicking any of the MLB games in the bar will ask me to install the app.
Re:Nvidia Shield TV Owners Are Pissed About the Banner Ads i... by radley on Monday July 19, 2021 @03:30PM (#27886410)
I moved top row apps that show promos to the right end. This way I'm not exposed to promos unless I'm on those apps (instead of seeing the promos on my way to another app).