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Re:Pharo 9 by pjmlp on Thursday July 15, 2021 @09:45AM (#27844609)
It was already out of favour in the early 80's, hence C.A.Hoare turing award speech against it in 1980, but then UNIX took over the world anyway, and the FOSS wave with GNU Manifesto helped to take it further.

Apparently people don't have any issue hanging to an OS about the same age as COBOL.

Re:Pharo 9 by FpUser on Thursday July 15, 2021 @12:58PM (#27846907)
>"Apparently people don't have any issue hanging to an OS about the same age as COBOL."

Why should they? It works for many cases and has mountains of apps, tooling, libraries, hardware support and whatnot. It takes decades for the new OS/ecosystem to mature.

Re:Pharo 9 by pjmlp on Thursday July 15, 2021 @03:21PM (#27848931)
Same conclusion can be applied to COBOL applications.

https://www.microfocus.com/en-us/products/visual-cobol/overv...

Re:Pharo 9 by FpUser on Thursday July 15, 2021 @08:46PM (#27851904)
Equating OS and its ecosystem to a single language is not very wise approach I think. In any ways you are obviously free to find fresh and shiny OS of your liking and use it.
Re:Pharo 9 by pjmlp on Friday July 16, 2021 @02:29AM (#27853529)
It surely is, UNIX and C are a symbiotic relationship, born out of each other, one in 1969, the other in 1972.

I surely have, hence why I have gone back to Windows, where the focus is C++ and .NET, macOS where the focus is Objective-C and Swift (UNIX is there for historical reasons only), Android where the focus are Java/Kotlin and C++ (with Linux kernel being an implementation detail).

Re:Pharo 9 by xfer on Friday July 16, 2021 @04:02AM (#27853959)
UNIX is not a thing anymore, nobody writes UNIX code. People use various compatibility layer or straight up use kernel abis. And they are all improving over time. So no they are not all stuck in 80s. Even linux kernel devs are willing to add rust code in the mix.

> Windows, where the focus is C++ and .NET,

Microsoft is huge organization they have multiple focuses. You seem to be mixing the kernel/userland layer and making very weird argument against UNIX(that nobody uses).

I am not familiar with COBOL is there any effort to improve COBOL?

Re:Pharo 9 by anthk on Friday July 16, 2021 @09:44AM (#27856159)
>UNIX is not a thing anymore, nobody writes UNIX code

Please, get out of the GNU cult and check out what BSD's are doing in C.

Re:Pharo 9 by xfer on Friday July 16, 2021 @03:40PM (#27860378)
BSDs are not just sticking to what UNIX was(let's say v7?). They are also doing their own thing.
Re:Pharo 9 by FpUser on Friday July 16, 2021 @06:16AM (#27854702)
For me it is Windows desktop and Linux servers. So far I had no business case to develop for other mobile and somehow do not feel sorry for it as I am in no rush to bend over to things like approval from App stores etc.