Does free software benefit from ML models being derived works of training data?

Re:Does free software benefit from ML models being derived w... by oolonthegreat on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:40AM (#27818172)

seems to be similar to the argument "GitHub Copilot is not infringing copyright" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27736650 : "GPL people should not push for a extension of the copyright because that will strengthen the power of giant corporations", which is completely bogus to me.

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Re:Does free software benefit from ML models being derived w... by dang on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:43AM (#27818190)

It would be good to explain what exactly is bogus. Otherwise a comment like this doesn't really say much more than "nuh uh".

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Re:Does free software benefit from ML models being derived w... by oolonthegreat on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:54AM (#27818237)

I thought it was blatantly dishonest: "GPL people should ignore GPL violations because pursuing them will make them look like the giant corporations" is clearly not a defendable argument (although I might be building a strawman here)

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Re:Does free software benefit from ML models being derived w... by mjg59 on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:31AM (#27818419)

I'm not saying we should ignore GPL violations. I'm saying we should consider whether the greater benefit for free software would be in them not being violations in the first place.

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Re:Does free software benefit from ML models being derived w... by Dylan16807 on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:19AM (#27818359)

Pursuing violations is a very different thing from wanting an extension of copyright. It's very valid to want the former and not the latter.

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