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Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by popsie on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:01AM (#27818262)
This is wildly inaccurate to the point that I would consider asking for this list to be taken down.

We know a lot about how the muscles sits on bone, how different bone density and shapes affect strength and thus possible uses. We can also draw a lot from reptiles and living dinosaurs (birds) by looking at analogous structures that are widely present in existing animals.

This sort of news has been going around the Brazilian internet for quite a while to the point that a fairly well known paleontologist and science communication showed the process of how this reconstruction would be made (video, in portuguese: https://youtu.be/8TPPFcZpCbA)

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by popsie on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:14AM (#27818330)
Since there's a hippo in the article as well, here are some major points:

- From the teeth shape and abrasion patterns we can tell that this was a herbivorous animal.

- Muscle attachment points intm the jaw and huge concave regions suggests large and powerful jaw muscles, so the hollow skinny picture in the article is not viable.

- Being a herbivore with powerful jaw muscles, this animal would need to chew on food a lot. Without cheeks, food would fall out as the animal chews, so it clearly has cheeks.

- Eyew need to fit in the ocular orbit, so they're not tint dots, they're large eyes.

- if we knew any surviving mammal, we would know this animal probably had eyelids (all mammals do).

- This head is huge and heavy, so we'll need a bunch of muscles to keep it up, so this animal has a chunky neck as well.

You can see what the reconstruction would look like with this info at ~40 minutes into the video.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by zabzonk on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @10:24AM (#27821347)
> This is wildly inaccurate to the point that I would consider asking for this list to be taken down.

It's the Daily Mail - wild inaccuracy goes without saying.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by amanaplanacanal on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:45PM (#27824597)
Actually I’m surprised to see anything from the daily Mail posted here. I would have guessed it was on a block list.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by zabzonk on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:26PM (#27825137)
Well, let's not go nuts. It is almost certainly the worst newspaper in the world, read only by the racist tubs of lard seen capering around Wembley at the weekend. But censorship is even worse.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by the_only_law on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:24PM (#27825841)
It may not be true, but I swear there’s been an uptick in submissions from tabloid-like sites in the past year.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by msrenee on Thursday July 15, 2021 @01:28PM (#27847283)
Why, when trying to determine what an ancient reptile looked like, would you use mammal species for all your references? Just in my experience, reptiles tend to have fat deposits in different configurations to mammals.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by hprotagonist on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @09:56AM (#27821004)
the classic "we can't prove they weren't huge fatbirds": https://coelasquid.tumblr.com/post/111317780763/nebu-kuro
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by bitwize on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @10:43AM (#27821581)
I'm not sure that being eaten by a giant toothed finch would be any less scary than being eaten by the lizard-thing we're used to.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by renewiltord on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:57AM (#27822550)
Surely this T-Rex would spontaneously combust from the heat retention.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by genericone on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:57PM (#27824771)
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by BoxOfRain on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @07:16AM (#27819652)
I know it’s the Daily Mail so it goes with the territory, but that website is truly obnoxious on mobile. It’s a masterclass in why having multiple content-covering boxes which are hard to dismiss is a stupid idea.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by everdrive on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @10:30AM (#27821428)
>A scary looking baboon re-imagined from its skeleton - it appears to have a dinosaur-like tail

Baboons are terrifying in any context.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by danellis on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:12PM (#27824211)
They're quite enjoyable in the context of being in a car with the windows rolled up.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by yakubin on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @09:54AM (#27820984)
> He believes Hollywood is to blame for giving dinosaurs their skeletal 'monster' image.

I don't think most dinosaurs are seen as monsters. When it comes to public relations "monsters", I think it's mostly T-Rex, and usually it isn't portrayed as skeletal. Depictions of most dinosaurs make them look cute.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by edflsafoiewq on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @10:52AM (#27821709)
It's older than Hollywood. Early attempts to rationalize geological time with Genesis located dinosaurs in a pre-Adamic world of eternal darkness.

Really interesting article about this:

Terrible lizards and the wrath of God: How 19th century Christianity and Romanticism affected visual representations of dinosaurs and our perceptions of the ancient world: https://web.archive.org/web/20200905194215/https://web.stanf...

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by GoblinSlayer on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @01:38PM (#27823773)
Pagan big reptiles weren't nice either, were they? Tiamat, Nidhogg, Jormungandr, Hydra, Fafnir.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by AdmiralAsshat on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:43AM (#27822357)
That certainly squares with H.P. Lovecraft's "Antediluvian horrors".
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by NotSwift on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:37AM (#27818751)
One point that most illustration of the old dinosaurs probably get wrong is the lack of feathers. After all, all current dinosaurs have feathers (Yes birds are technically dinosaurs) and it seems reasonable to assume that some of their ancestors had them too. Unfortunately, unlike bones, feathers do not fossilize really well, so we cannot easily determine which species had them. The most likely reason dinosaurs developed feathers is thermal insulation, just like why mammals developed hair.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by autokad on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:56AM (#27822539)
> "After all, all current dinosaurs have feathers"

that's selection bias. only the avian 'dinosaurs' survived, but calling them dinosaurs would be like calling humans rodents. It's not like birds existed back then.

There seems to be a rush to try and put feathers on everything. We are finding some amazing specimens that are giving us amazing detail, such as the ankylosaur found in Canada. Yup, covered in scales and hard armor.

Now we got this T-rex crazed idea to put feathers all over them. It sort of reminds me of the 1990s who tried to put t-rex as scavengers / non predators because of 1 solitary data point. the data strongly suggests they were scaled (we found skin impressions of t-rex, they had scales). So now they are trying to say 'oh well maybe they had feathers elsewhere, or were covered in feathers when young'. sheesh.

> "Unfortunately, unlike bones, feathers do not fossilize really well"

if a leaf can be fossilized, I imagine so can a feather.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by NotSwift on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @05:25PM (#27826512)
Dinosaurs are only one of the many groups of reptiles that have ever existed. It is normal use in biology to classify species in the same group as the group of their ancestor species. So, whether you like it or not, humans are mammals and primates. There really are no sound biological reasons to exclude birds from belonging to the group of dinosaurs.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by LinAGKar on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @01:12PM (#27823477)
>only the avian 'dinosaurs' survived, but calling them dinosaurs would be like calling humans rodents.

No, humans did not evolve from rodents. It's more like calling humans primates.

>It's not like birds existed back then.

Back when? There were birds before the other dinosaurs went extinct, so concurrently with T-Rex.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by autokad on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @01:31PM (#27823690)
> "No, humans did not evolve from rodents. It's more like calling humans primates."

Its my understanding humans evolved from a rodent like creature that existed during the time of the dinosaurs. primates did not exist then.

also, humans did not evolve from primates. humans are primates.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by LinAGKar on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:53PM (#27824721)
>Its my understanding humans evolved from a rodent like creature that existed during the time of the dinosaurs. primates did not exist then.

Our ancestors might at some point have been rodent-like, in the sense that they looked somewhat like rodents (or rather, some rodents still look like them, as the rodents also evolved from the same ancestor). But they weren't rodents, and they didn't have the incisors that characterize rodents.

>also, humans did not evolve from primates. humans are primates

Yes, we evolved from primates, and thus still are primates, like how birds still are dinosaurs.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by autokad on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @04:23PM (#27825829)
birds are NOT dinosours. they are descended from them. as far as I know, there were no birds during their time.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by abc_lisper on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @06:02PM (#27826827)
Hmm.. That’s not true. There were birds then. And a lot of dinosaurs that look like birds. https://twitter.com/serpenillus/status/1226553777983016960?s...

Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_birds

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by LinAGKar on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @01:46PM (#27835926)
Dinosaurs is a clade, which by definition includes a species and all its descendants. You can't outgrow your ancestry.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by pvaldes on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @07:01AM (#27831730)
> humans evolved from a rodent like creature

We are more related with some groups of gliding mammals than with rodents.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by Cd00d on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @01:31PM (#27823688)
My kids have a dinosaur book, and I was blown away at the difference in portrayal of the velociraptor compared to what was in the original Jurassic Park film. Super bird-like now.

https://www.dkfindout.com/us/dinosaurs-and-prehistoric-life/...

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by cwmma on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:13AM (#27821986)
that being said there is a pretty good chance a lot of the bigger dinosaurs (e.g. t. rex) probably did not have many feathers similar to how rhinos, elephants and other large mammals don't (but hey mammoths did so so it's probably not none)
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by frosted-flakes on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:23AM (#27822090)
...don't have fur, I think you mean?
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by oyashirochama on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:59PM (#27829574)
Fur for the mammals, feathers for the avian and dinosaur ancestors, which there are featherless birds.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @09:43AM (#27820838)
We have enough fossils of "things that don't fossilize well" that if dinosaurs were feathered by default we'd know about it.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by handrous on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @10:47AM (#27821637)
Last I checked back in on my childhood obsession of paleontology, consensus was that a whole lot more theropods were at least partially feathered, at least at some life stages, than previously thought, including some of the big ones, but there's not evidence that many other categories of dinosaur were feathered.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:05AM (#27821881)
AFAIK that's still correct.

The dinosaurs from which birds are descended are thought to have feathers or something similar, in some case or at some stages of life. But that's a really long way from being the default or even a sizeable enough majority that one could say "the dinosaurs had feathers" as a generalization and do so with a straight face.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by therealdrag0 on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:09AM (#27818040)
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by 93po on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:21PM (#27824312)
Would be more accurate if it was just titled "Mammals look weird if we draw them as if they were reptiles instead".
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by obloid on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @02:30PM (#27824425)
These images are from the book "All Yesterdays: Unique and Speculative Views of Dinosaurs and Other Prehistoric Animals"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Yesterdays

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by Tagbert on Wednesday July 14, 2021 @10:01PM (#27840720)
Yes and the authors of that book are a paleontologist and an illustrator who specializes in paleontology. The book was intended by them to cause people to question some of our assumptions and also as an entertaining look at some bizarre illustrations.

They do not actually espouse any radical ideas about the actual appearance of Dinosaurs. Like most mainstream paleontologist, they do see to believe that some or most members of the theropods could have had some amount of feathers. They seem open to the idea that other dinosaur groups and possibly archosaurs may have had something like feathers in some cases.

The have a podcast that I listen to frequently “Tetrapods Zoology Podcast”. It is interesting, informative, and tedious in places because… they are scientists acting a bit goofy but still scientists.

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by yorwba on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @11:40AM (#27822305)
I didn't see the artist's website linked in the article, so here it is: http://cmkosemen.com/
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by shwoopdiwoop on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @09:18PM (#27828392)
Can we just ban Daily Mail articles altogether from this site please? I’m all for discovering all sorts of curious things but this website and its content is just pure garbage.
Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by Brian_K_White on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @01:58PM (#27824032)
Is this just meant to be silly for the fun of it? Or is it meant to suggest our real extrapolations are probably as ridiculous as these things are?

If we have even a single mud impression somehere, and we do, then this implication is DailyMail, I mean garbage.

Similarly, unless you take an artist who currently draws dinosaurs to the best of their ability with all current anatomical understanding, and THEY produce these drawings from a monkey etc, then again, DailyMail, I mean garbage.

"These drawings I made are stupid" on no way proves that "therefor those drawings you made are stupid."

Re:What modern animals would look like if we drew them in th... by juliushuijnk on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:04PM (#27824866)
Eons video about the history of how dinosaurs have been drawn, including the mistakes and why they were made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDnQmBFxIfE