Re:It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
by throwawayboise on Sunday July 11, 2021 @10:19PM
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Deliberate exercise is one thing, but maybe people today are more sedentary when they aren't exercising. It's my impression that physical activity required at many jobs is lower today than it was then.
Following through to the actual study, it appears to have considered "leisure time physical activity" but maybe not workplace physical activity.
Re:It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
by tfigment on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:53PM
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Pontzer's book Burn seems to indicate exercise is good for health but not weight loss. Energy usage in the body is complicated but diet seems to be more important than exercise if I understand it correctly.
Re:It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
by hulitu on Monday July 12, 2021 @08:13AM
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> To summarize, populations who diet and exercise, the same amount as populations in the 80s, are heavier. No one knows why, but some possibilities are
Sugar.
I have a very hard time finding edible chocolate. It is all sugar and cocoa.
Want to buy some canned vegetables ? They contain sugar (why ?). Bread seems to contain more and more sugar. Want to buy semiprocessed food ? It has a lot of sugar. Want to buy some juice ? 10 -20 g of sugar per 100 ml. It is just crazy.
Re:It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
by everybodyknows on Sunday July 11, 2021 @09:06PM
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From USA National Institute of Health:
“Artificial sweeteners appear to change the host microbiome, lead to decreased satiety, and alter glucose homeostasis, and are associated with increased caloric consumption and weight gain.”
Re:It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
by Apocryphon on Sunday July 11, 2021 @08:06PM
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> A membership at one of the newfangled fitness centers of 1987 would go for about $2,800 per year in today’s dollars, and that’s still what it costs today.
Re:It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
by cardiffspaceman on Sunday July 11, 2021 @09:38PM
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I don't know what level they are talking about. I wrangled a $5/month 'life' membership at a branch of a major chain, starting in 1984. I don't think that $60/year reaches $2800. The 'inflation calculator'[1] I use regularly uses USG numbers and it says that the equivalent to $60/year is $155/year today.
Re:It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
by throwawayboise on Sunday July 11, 2021 @10:14PM
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I have no idea what kind of gym charges that much. My gym, with extensive weightlifting and cardio equipment, sauna, locker room with showers is $350/yr.
Re:It Was Easier to Be Skinny in the 1980s
by failwhaleshark on Sunday July 11, 2021 @11:07PM
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Mirtazapine (atypical antidepressant) helped me for about 2 years, but then it was downhill from there. Gained 60 lbs on 200 (27 on 91). It's used in certain cases for people to gain weight.
When it worked, it was amazing, but the weight gain was intolerable. Missing a single dose felt exactly like a hangover after sleeping.
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In this age, I would say:
- exercise even more
- subject yourself to more cold (burn more calories)
- subject yourself to more heat (suppress appetite)
- fasting - alternate day
- fasting - 18.6
- organic as much as possible
- eliminate industrially-processed foods as much as possible: if it comes in a box, it's probably suspect.
- eliminate plastic containers
- take the stairs rather than the elevator
- modify one's route to deliberately walk more
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Another thing that needs to happen is for food packages to be wax, glass, or other materials for containers that don't contaminate the food with plastic compounds.
- increases in chemicals in the environment
- increased prescription drug use
- increases in animal product consumption
- changes in the human gut biome
- proliferation of artificial sweeteners
Following through to the actual study, it appears to have considered "leisure time physical activity" but maybe not workplace physical activity.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3522469/
A good friend used to lament about the data they were entering was of very poor quality.
However the skews were somehow magically understood by the consumers of the data or maybe overall the day averaged out over time.
Data cleansing is a thing no?
Sugar. I have a very hard time finding edible chocolate. It is all sugar and cocoa. Want to buy some canned vegetables ? They contain sugar (why ?). Bread seems to contain more and more sugar. Want to buy semiprocessed food ? It has a lot of sugar. Want to buy some juice ? 10 -20 g of sugar per 100 ml. It is just crazy.
“Artificial sweeteners appear to change the host microbiome, lead to decreased satiety, and alter glucose homeostasis, and are associated with increased caloric consumption and weight gain.”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29159583/
Are they talking about Equinox level gyms?
[1] https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/
When it worked, it was amazing, but the weight gain was intolerable. Missing a single dose felt exactly like a hangover after sleeping.
--
In this age, I would say:
- exercise even more
- subject yourself to more cold (burn more calories)
- subject yourself to more heat (suppress appetite)
- fasting - alternate day
- fasting - 18.6
- organic as much as possible
- eliminate industrially-processed foods as much as possible: if it comes in a box, it's probably suspect.
- eliminate plastic containers
- take the stairs rather than the elevator
- modify one's route to deliberately walk more
----
Another thing that needs to happen is for food packages to be wax, glass, or other materials for containers that don't contaminate the food with plastic compounds.