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Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by lethologica on Saturday July 10, 2021 @11:30PM (#27798269)
You've clearly never been in the situation then.

It's fine for the first couple of weeks. Maybe even the first few months. But when one third of your life or more is spent with absolutely no meaning what so ever, when you hands feel tied behind your back due to certain obligations / job prospects / whatever, it wears you down. It did for me. It drove me to the point of wanting to end it all.

I really hope you're never properly bored at work.

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by Spivak on Sunday July 11, 2021 @01:16AM (#27798628)
I’m so sorry that it got so bad for you. I recently quit my job because I was in that situation. I literally had nothing to do. I had maybe 8 hours of actual work a week. Paid really well to do basically nothing all things considered but it drained my soul. Being at home made it more tolerable but after cooking, baking, reading, side projects, getting my side hustle off the ground, exercising, starting an herb garden, taking up sketching, finishing my entertainment backlog, I don’t even know anymore I just couldn’t do it.

There’s something so terribly draining about having so much “kinda free time” where I might have to do random tasks sporadically but is otherwise completely empty.

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by tdfx on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:01AM (#27798960)
It sounds like a joke but: if they company was paying you and giving you good performance reviews, your effort was obviously meeting expectations. Why didn't you get an additional full-time job?
Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by bruce343434 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @05:29AM (#27799528)
Because the time is not truly free? It would only take one agenda collision to foil everything.
Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by SkyPuncher on Sunday July 11, 2021 @01:24PM (#27802789)
I've worked remotely for a long time. I've always had this dream of pushing through my work early in the week so I can fit in a round of golf or a few hours of skiing on a Friday morning. It's panned out less than 5 times because something always comes up on a Friday morning.
Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday July 13, 2021 @03:31PM (#27825205)
It may be a personality thing. I was in that situation and I didn't find it having "absolutely no meaning whatsoever." It was a time to learn, research new technology, experiment, etc. I was in that situation for at least two years before the company went under.

It was before widespread internet, so I can imagine that if I had the net in my pocket it would only have been so much better.

[edit] I had forgotten about this, but ironically, a few years earlier the company started selling a software package that was written by an engineer in a similar situation. He worked at a water plant and his job was basically to sit there all day occasionally checking some gauges to make sure everything was OK. Since he had essentially all day free with no one caring what he did, he wrote a complete software application.

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by anon9001 on Saturday July 10, 2021 @11:55PM (#27798351)
> when one third of your life or more is spent with absolutely no meaning what so ever

I recognize that you're being sincere, and I don't mean to offend, but why would you tie meaning in your life to your labor?

Work time is labor time for me, and any amount of it is actively detracting from me being able to pursue the things that I do think have meaning.

The more time work takes, the less time I have for things that are meaningful, practically by definition.

Tying any sense of meaning or purpose to employment would seem to put the worker in an emotionally precarious position without any obvious benefit.

When I stop requiring additional funds, I'll stop going to work.

What am I missing?

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by thebricksta on Sunday July 11, 2021 @01:16AM (#27798625)
I was once in a position where I had nothing to do for around 5 months straight after starting a job. It was an open office plan, we were clocked in 9-5, and I had a supervisor from another team who sat across from me and meant to keep an eye on me. I was also young and naive enough that I didn't know how far I could push limits slacking, so I didn't really push them at all. I desperately pleaded with everyone for work, but was always told the equivalent of "next sprint we'll have some for you, go read some documentation for now!".

I had never been more depressed in my life than those 5 months.

The closest thing I could compare it to is imagine printing out a copy of your current project's documentation, locking yourself in a room with it for 8 hours, then doing that 100 more times. It's a special type of hell.

No matter how well you think you can divorce your work time from your personal time, it starts to cross over. Work becomes so boringly painful that you actively dread it even in your time off. You know that tomorrow you're going to have to wake up and pretend to stare at documentation. For hours. And hours. And hours. And then repeat that the next day. And the next. And the next - with no end in sight.

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by Aerroon on Sunday July 11, 2021 @02:17AM (#27798801)
Reminds me of school. One of the coping mechanisms I found was daydreaming while pretending to do the work.
Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by vladvasiliu on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:41AM (#27799342)
The way I see it, "work time" is usually quite a big chunk of a person's life, especially if you throw in commute time. It also tends to take out the most "useful" time of the day.

Want to go hiking? Swimming in a river? Build some furniture? Build a house? Watch birds? Go shopping? Wrench on your car? Race your motorcycle? All are best done during the "work hours".

So while I can see the appeal of not tying one's meaning to one's job, I also completely understand the sinking feeling of having to postpone these activities for doing... nothing.

Because even though you can "find something to do" while at work, most of the time, you're not fully free. You may not just pick up your stuff and go fishing. You have to stay physically at the office and sometimes even have people dropping by asking random questions. So even getting engrossed in a book / music is out, since you'll be randomly interrupted. At least if you're WFH you can do random chores to free up the time afterwards (do the dishes / laundry / bake a pizza).

Of course, if you have to work to live, you have to go through this. But I don't see how its being necessary can make it less soul-crushing. Quite the contrary. I'm lucky enough to be able to find things to do on my own, or if not, work for one of my hobbies which happen to involve computers and don't require me to be physically somewhere precise. But not everyone's so lucky.

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by jtrtoo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:28PM (#27802208)
Well said.
Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by renewiltord on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:20AM (#27798444)
I don't know. Why do you like chocolate ice cream? At least for me, despite all my efforts in every direction, the things I like or dislike fail to alter themselves that much at my request.

I have mechanisms to deal with them and to ensure that I do certain things, but the inner will always directs in a certain direction. I can summon the motivation to do other things, but I have so far failed to modify that inner desire.

If you're different, then do share what interventions let you modify.

Given that, your question is more like "Why would you like chocolate ice cream?". And the answer is simple: There is no 'why'; there only is.

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by manigandham on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:19AM (#27798441)
All meaningful progress requires labor. You're specifically talking about labor paid for by a corporation, but that isn't mutually exclusive with that labor also being a goal or passion that you're interested in.

Meaning is subjective, and many do find it in their work. For example, many software devs like the work of learning about and creating software. To be paid for it is a bonus, not something detracting.

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by apsurd on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:15AM (#27798421)
You are missing that people are different. It seems extremely easy and intuitive to compartmentalize aspects of your life.

More power to you. Not everyone is like that. Personally, I find compartmentalization unnatural.

Even the “work hard play hard” aspect of weekday/weekend. Unnatural to me. I do think everything has seasons. I don’t view those seasons as literally on an hourly granularity though, that’s what is unnatural to me.

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by lmz on Saturday July 10, 2021 @11:56PM (#27798359)
I think it's the "faking it" part that's draining.
Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by shannifin on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:23AM (#27798458)
> Work time is labor time for me, and any amount of it is actively detracting from me being able to pursue the things that I do think have meaning.

Exactly, that's the problem. The article is not about not having enough work to do, it's about the work not having enough meaning to want to do it in the first place.

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by XorNot on Sunday July 11, 2021 @03:16AM (#27799011)
Also the issue that generally you still need the job (because you need income) and more importantly, you need to ensure you have a usable reference from your time there.
Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by zelphirkalt on Sunday July 11, 2021 @07:01PM (#27805208)
Of course you could see it that way. However, what about ethics? If work is just some no meaning thing to do, will you care about the ethical aspects of your work? And I think we need a lot more of that in tech jobs.
Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by M5x7wI3CmbEem10 on Sunday July 11, 2021 @12:29AM (#27798482)
Boreout sounds amazing in a remote work situation.
Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by imtringued on Sunday July 11, 2021 @08:32AM (#27800287)
No, if you straight up do "fun things" (watch movies or play video games) then you won't be motivated to work even when it's time for "boreout" to end. So you must do "work safe" activities that wont get you fired all day which is worse than doing boring work that lets you feel useful.
Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by soylentgraham on Sunday July 11, 2021 @04:54AM (#27799391)
Until guilt sets in. I started getting anxious that I would be "found out", but every week ended again being told I was the most productive.

I ended up quitting when someone popped up with a much more creative job

Re:The damaging effects of 'boreout' at work by rjzzleep on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:17AM (#27799719)
It's not guilt that's the problem. Just because you're in a remote work situation doesn't mean you just stop thinking about the boring shit that you do. Meetings also don't stop. You get angrier and angrier about the whole situation. It nags on you and actually spend more time thinking about it than you would normally spend on it outside of work.

I guess there are quite a lot of people that can just tune out things they don't like, but I'd wager most people are not capable of that trait. I think the more competent you are the more it bothers you not to produce anything. And it's not related to guilt, at least it never was for me(and looking around in this thread I'm obviously not the only one).

Just because you are paid doesn't mean you want to pass your life without perspective. This is basically someone sucking your life away without drive or mission and only compensating in money. And if there is any truth to the "Drive!" book, then the money is almost secondary to the other two factors.