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Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by dragonelite on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:14AM (#27769744)
Find and replace China with US and reality still makes sense.

Then the US expects the rest of the world to follow their rule based order, where no one knows what the freaking rules are except rules for thee but for me(US).

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by BobbyJo on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:09AM (#27770460)
"No one knows the rules." What? The US legal system is incredibly strictly codified. It's literally the main draw for foreign investment. If you ask any investor on the planet what the largest difference between the US and China is for investments, it's regulatory risk.

This is one of the most wildly off base things I've seen people say with regard to US vs China.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by rorykoehler on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:15AM (#27770498)
Lots of startup business models have been based around breaking the rules and then asking for forgiveness. See Uber etc
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by BobbyJo on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:18AM (#27770519)
What rules did Uber break? I was under the impression that the startup model was to do things there are no rules for yet, and grow fast enough that you get to influence them when they're made.
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by PedroBatista on Thursday July 08, 2021 @07:39AM (#27770659)
> What rules did Uber break?

Many and there's a long list.

Almost every city had strict rules about passenger transportation, Uber obviously knew this and ignore them all. That's another reason they raised $25.2B in funding over 30 rounds, to become so big even big cities became small compared to them and they could use the "See you in court" tactic, by that point yeah they lose many cases, so what? They are so big cities and governments were pressured to change the laws to suit Uber.

Nothing is black and white, before Uber the business wasn't exactly fair and clean but Uber applied the scumbag business tactic to a whole new level and it was amplified by the billions of dollars in funding.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by kube-system on Thursday July 08, 2021 @10:59AM (#27772797)
Uber took advantage of a grey area in the rules. They knew passenger transport was regulated, but didn’t physically transport any passengers. They didn’t break the rules as much as they had a (then) untested interpretation.
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by BobbyJo on Thursday July 08, 2021 @09:08AM (#27771440)
Any citations on the laws they broke?

Edit: I'll take the down as a 'No' :P

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by EliRivers on Thursday July 08, 2021 @09:20AM (#27771579)
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=laws+uber+broke

"Uber’s business model is predicated on lawbreaking" [0]

"That Uber regularly broke laws to cement its frontrunner status is not a controversial statement, it’s a fact." [1]

[0] https://hbr.org/2017/06/uber-cant-be-fixed-its-time-for-regu...

[1] https://www.vice.com/en/article/8xwxyv/uber-became-big-by-ig...

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by fouric on Thursday July 08, 2021 @03:37PM (#27776689)
"LMGT(FY)" is a disrespectful, counter-productive, and weaselly response. Please don't use it. If you make a claim, it's your responsibility to provide evidence (including links) to back it up, and anyone who has actually used Google extensively knows that (1) search results vary per user due to search bubbling and (2) search result quality (and precision) can vary wildly depending on the exact query used.
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by EliRivers on Thursday July 08, 2021 @04:03PM (#27776942)
Normally I'd agree, but in this case, BobbyJo absolutely asked for it. It would have taken ten seconds to find a huge amount of material on Uber's law-breaking, and to pretend that one never even heard of such a thing and that Uber is totally law-abiding? Bullshit; it's like asking for citations that water is wet. BobbyJo even came back to snark about downvotes. BobbyJo chose to be a passive-aggressive dickhead, and deserved to get exactly the same back.

You'll note I did actually then provide some actual references.

In conclusion, BobbyJo deserved it and it was a right thing to do. Disrespectful? Yes, that's the point.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by fouric on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:17PM (#27777721)
> In conclusion, BobbyJo deserved it and it was a right thing to do. Disrespectful? Yes, that's the point.

This is absolutely against HN guidelines, general common decency, and just pure logic. You do not get to decide who "deserves it" and who doesn't.

Even in cases where the information is easily found, there are polite ways to say that, and you appear to have intentionally chosen an impolite manner.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by EliRivers on Saturday July 10, 2021 @09:38AM (#27793278)
you appear to have intentionally chosen an impolite manner.

Yes, EXACTLY so. Choosing to be polite or not is part of expression. Active choice of politeness (or not) adds layers to meaning and communication. In this case, part of choosing to be impolite is expressing that BobbyJo didn't deserve politeness here. Conversely, sometimes being polite is itself brutally insulting. In this case, it would have been passive-aggressively treating BobbyJo like a child; far more insulting.

You do not get to decide who "deserves it" and who doesn't.

Of course I can make that decision. Just did. You might subscribe to a set of rules in which I don't get to make that decision; I clearly do not subscribe to that. I note that I certainly won't be telling you who you should and should not be polite to, though.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by BobbyJo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:57PM (#27805174)
HNs rules aren't tailored toward maximizing expression. They are tailored toward maximizing discussion and information exchange. Impoliteness, while certainly a form of expression, is detrimental to discussion, hence it being frowned upon here. If your goal is simply self expression for its own sake, visual arts likely would provide a better medium than internet discussion boards.
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by BobbyJo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:29PM (#27804974)
Asking for a citation is asking for bad manners? Normally, if you posit something, it's on you to back it up, or admit it's pure anecdote or impression. I don't see how asking for a piece of information that's claimed to exist somewhere in the world is disrespectful.

Also, I did look it up. None of the articles I saw specifically called out laws Uber was guilty of breaking as a corporate entity, instead they all reference grey area behavior and use words like 'skirting' or 'undermining.'

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by BobbyJo on Sunday July 11, 2021 @06:26PM (#27804957)
I looked over both of those linked posts as well as the the links provided by a Google search and still couldn't find a single statute that Uber was unambiguously violating.
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by eru on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:17AM (#27769763)
Most American rules don't apply overseas.

Eg they can spy on foreigners all they like.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by akudha on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:29AM (#27770222)
Didn’t U.S pharma companies used to sell drugs overseas that is banned on U.S soil? I don’t know if that is still the case.

While collecting data like fingerprints etc is bad, collecting DNA is on whole another level. Imagine using it for immigration purposes for example. Or the govt makes you get a license to have kids (like marriage license today) based on DNA traits. These things might sound comical today, but the social score thing sounded comical too, until it became a reality

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by eru on Thursday July 08, 2021 @11:39PM (#27780256)
> Didn’t U.S pharma companies used to sell drugs overseas that is banned on U.S soil? I don’t know if that is still the case.

Well everything that's not approved by the FDA (yet), but already approved somewhere else would fall into this category.

That's hardly a black mark against those companies.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by baybal2 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:37AM (#27770271)
Genetic disease screening before marriage, and fetal deformity screening been mandatory in China for decades.
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by lucian1900 on Thursday July 08, 2021 @05:19AM (#27769777)
And they have a special rule that they’ll invade The Hague if US war criminals are ever tried there. All those presidents and generals and spooks are safe from justice.
Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by Vinnl on Thursday July 08, 2021 @06:13AM (#27770128)
You're talking about the The Hague Invasion Act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hague_Invasion_Act

Just a note, the US doesn't need permission from the Netherlands to invade them, of course. However, as I understand it, usually the US president needs permission from Congress before deciding to invade another country. In this case, Congress has given permission in advance to invade the Netherlands if the ICC tries a US citizen.

Re:China’s gene giant harvests data from millions of women w... by eru on Friday July 09, 2021 @12:10AM (#27780400)
> However, as I understand it, usually the US president needs permission from Congress before deciding to invade another country.

Only for declaration of war. The US hasn't declared war on anyone in since WWII.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_Unit...