It's going to be interesting to see earnest social welfare advocates and earnest open borders advocates realize that their beliefs are totally incompatible. Of course, right now, most of the politicians successfully selling those policies don't really care about either at a deep level.

People from other countries do not get welfare in the USA. that is a myth. The problem with 'SF' is people flocking from conservative areas in the US that have solved their homeless problem by literally bussing people to SF. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...

> People from other countries do not get welfare in the USA. that is a myth.

Why do you say it is a myth?

"63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs Compared to 35% of native households"

https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfa...

From Wikipedia:

"The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) is an anti-immigration think tank. It favors far lower immigration numbers, and produces analyses to further those views. The CIS was founded by historian Otis L. Graham and eugenicist and white nationalist John Tanton."

[1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Immigration_Studies

Do you have another source? I am not so convinced by this source.

There is a section on the methods used, along with naming the dataset, the SIPP.

There is a link to the SIPP in the endnotes of the page. The SIPP is from the Census Bureau.

My point is that SF can not fix welfare on its own because it doesn't have the power to stop people from other states moving in. It either needs to be a nation wide fix or for the city/state to become its own country.

Maybe the rest of the country should stop people moving out of that city/state.

Border restrictions are a recent phenomenon.

If you care about free markets or a smaller state, but not the free movement of labor at the same time, you are holding hypocritical beliefs.

Welfare can not work in an entirely free market system. Thankfully I do not believe in subscribing uncritically to one line of thought.

The “free market” is not a real thing and it never will be - it is a platonic ideal.

Every nation on Earth has border restrictions of some kind. Though recent in human history, such restrictions clearly have utility and value in the modern world.

It should be easy to move, live and work wherever one desires. Arbitrarily stringent border controls and immigration policies are a tax on us all.

Or transfer payments like we do in Canada.