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Re:Student Loans. Medical Debt. Criminal Justice Fees. Cance... by _fat_santa on Friday July 02, 2021 @10:30AM (#27711986)
Right now we have around 1.5T in outstanding student debt. If all of this debt were to be cancelled, who would be left holding the bag? What would that do to the economy? IMO if we cancel all student debt, this would seriously rock our economy because we suddenly decided to take 1.5T in debt assets out of the economy.
Re:Student Loans. Medical Debt. Criminal Justice Fees. Cance... by keanebean86 on Friday July 02, 2021 @10:43AM (#27712139)
Would it though? The government paid for my college then wrote down I own them. They want me to give them that money back eventually. Are they using my promise to borrow money somewhere else? Or is it just an expense for a budget year that gets added as income years later?

Also how much interest have we paid collectively on that 1.5 trillion? If we've paid that much already then what? Can't we just consider it an investment with a negative adjusted return and move on?

In other words macroeconomics doesn't make sense to me in a lot of ways.

Re:Student Loans. Medical Debt. Criminal Justice Fees. Cance... by voxic11 on Friday July 02, 2021 @10:55AM (#27712321)
If you went to school before 2011 this likely isn't how it worked. Instead you actually got a loan from a private lender which was guaranteed by the federal government. The ACA changed this so that the federal government now actually originates and owns the loan.

> Prior to the Affordable Care Act, a majority of student loans originated with a private lender but were guaranteed by the government, meaning taxpayers foot the bill if student borrowers default. In 2010, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimated 55% of loans fell into this category. Between 2011 and 2016, the share of privately originated student loans fell by nearly 90%.

Re:Student Loans. Medical Debt. Criminal Justice Fees. Cance... by keanebean86 on Friday July 02, 2021 @11:47AM (#27713021)
I completely forgot about that honestly. I used some special refinancing offer so all my loans are direct now.
Re:Student Loans. Medical Debt. Criminal Justice Fees. Cance... by hpoe on Friday July 02, 2021 @10:48AM (#27712207)
Well it would result in deflation because $1,500,000,000 disappears from the economy overnight. This means that the money supply shrinks and that kicks of a deflationary cycle.
Re:Student Loans. Medical Debt. Criminal Justice Fees. Cance... by thatfrenchguy on Friday July 02, 2021 @10:53AM (#27712273)
I would argue this would actually cause inflation: all of those folks who have to pay for those student loans will start buying more goods, houses and services, increasing demand, which could increase prices in turn.
Re:Student Loans. Medical Debt. Criminal Justice Fees. Cance... by hpoe on Friday July 02, 2021 @11:14AM (#27712576)
Well you would be wrong. Inflation doesn't just happen because people are buying more things. Inflation occurs when more money is brought into the system but the amount of goods remains constant.
Re:Student Loans. Medical Debt. Criminal Justice Fees. Cance... by AnimalMuppet on Friday July 02, 2021 @01:05PM (#27714073)
I think you may have that backwards.

There are two scenarios. In the first, the government simply prints the $1.5T. That's newly created money. $1.5T has been added to the economy overnight. It's been created, not destroyed.

The second scenario is where the government takes the money from somewhere else (maybe taxes). The money is removed from somewhere (someone's assets), but the exact same amount of debt is also removed. The net is zero - neither creation or destruction, just rearrangement.

Re:Student Loans. Medical Debt. Criminal Justice Fees. Cance... by jvanderbot on Friday July 02, 2021 @10:46AM (#27712188)
They aren't really in the economy. Private assets are, but aren't public loans held by the US gov? You'd lose the income from I guess interest or payments, but I wonder where that's going in the fed budget?
Re:Student Loans. Medical Debt. Criminal Justice Fees. Cance... by digianarchist on Friday July 02, 2021 @11:04AM (#27712424)
It wouldn't be quite 1.5T though right? You're simply shifting money around the economy because 1.5T is freed up for borrowers to spend/invest elsewhere.