Re:Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity
by braincat31415 on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @02:35PM
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Here is the thing (and that's something that people with kids might relate to) -- we already know that covid is not a danger to kids, and that there are potential side effects involved when vaccinating kids. There is no way in hell I would vaccinate my child because "it is good for the society as a whole".
Re:Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity
by ceejayoz on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @02:37PM
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> we already know that covid is not a danger to kids
We don't actually know this. We know it's less dangerous to them thus far. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56696907 https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/202...
Re:Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity
by travoc on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @03:59PM
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"Thus far" is implied. We only ever know what we know thus far and we could always learn something new.
Re:Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity
by baq on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @04:46PM
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it really isn't. it should be, but you'll be much better off not expecting that.
Re:Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity
by baq on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @04:45PM
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covid absolutely is a danger to kids, it's just less of a danger than to old people. the question is whether risk of vaccination is significantly less than risk of covid. we don't really know yet, but i'd surely vaccinate my kids if it meant they couldn't transmit the disease to their grandparents.
Re:Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity
by reducesuffering on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @02:32PM
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I agree entirely. My point is that there are a significant amount of people who aren't even there. There hasn't been acquiescing past demanding exception-less vaccine passports.
Re:Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity
by wait_a_minute on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @02:35PM
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It's not your business to police this and that's not how it works in the United States. It is not anyone's business to demand a confirmed clinical test. Florida and other states have been open for a long time now and their covid numbers are declining same as wherever there are attempts at more mandates. What use is a confirmed clinical test there?
We are not a collective. We do not have these types of arbiters who will police and decide what is best for everyone. We are a nation of individuals and if you cannot trust people to "pinky-swear" on this matter then how can you trust them to do anything? Including vote on anything? Or reason? Who will make all the decisions for them?
Re:Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity
by ryandrake on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @03:42PM
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Every system has some number of malicious actors. You should trust, but you must also verify. If a system designer assumes no bad actors exist, the system will be quickly exploited, which is why voluntary mask mandates and distancing rules didn't work. We have locks on doors, passwords for computers, seat belts in cars, and rules against drunk driving, precisely because of a small number of dishonest and reckless people.
Re:Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity
by wait_a_minute on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @03:51PM
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Wear a mask and get vaccinated if you’re not and stay home if you’re scared.
Florida and other states have not had mandates and they’re doing fine per the data.
Yes, but don't just take their word for it. Confirmed clinical test should be the bar. I fear if the "you don't need a vaccine if you've had it" narrative gains traction, even if it is undeniably true, it's going to result in the anti-vaxxers lying about having already had the virus, to manufacture another excuse for themselves. If we've learned anything in the last year, it's that any system that relies on people to pinky-swear they're telling the truth will be exploited by a small but significant minority of people.