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Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by King-Aaron on Saturday June 26, 2021 @09:01PM (#27647544)
On the whole I feel modern cars with all the modern comforts and conveniences are ultimately the cause of accidents. People feel too complacent in operating what's effectively a two-ton missile. (Or as Daria's dad once put it, "you're just a radio with doors!")

In my little race car, I have no radio, no air conditioner, no carpets, roll bars, bucket seats and harnesses. You're well aware you're operating machinery, and like driving a telihandler or some other machine, you don't let yourself get distracted. Phone goes in the pocket and you're absorbed with the machine you're operating.

Yet in my daily driver I often find myself fiddling with spotify, or running through contact lists for phone calls via the head unit, playing with hvac settings, etc.

While I don't know if consumers would accept the removal of comforts for safety sake, I feel that I'm a safer driver in my bare-bones vehicle with less overall distractions and conveniences. Ultimately like with everything, I guess it comes down to more education being required.

Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by mulmen on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:17AM (#27658361)
While I share your perception the numbers are clear. Traffic fatalities continue to decline as cars get safer. Correlation does not imply causation of course but I find it hard to believe these trends are in spite of modern safety features.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_...

Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by onion2k on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:58AM (#27658571)
The number of fatalities is a function of how safe the car is in an accident as well as how many accidents there are. If cars could be made perfectly safe the number of fatalities would be zero. That wouldn't mean distracted people wouldn't crash any more.

The number to look at is total accidents per mile rather than just fatal ones. Unfortunately that still won't really give you an accurate picture because there are far more variables than just the driver's level of attention.

Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by ectopod on Monday June 28, 2021 @11:35AM (#27663244)
However safe the interior of the car is made, the number of fatalities will not be zero. Not everyone is in a car. As your parent comment's link notes, the number of pedestrian fatalities has increased since 2010.
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by badRNG on Monday June 28, 2021 @10:24AM (#27662368)
Well, I have to imagine features like auto emergency braking, lane departure warning, blind spot detection, and many more have saved countless lives AND prevented many accidents. I know they've saved me personally from an accident.
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by clairity on Monday June 28, 2021 @01:35PM (#27664849)
no, those things simply lower the skill floor of driving as well as reduces attention/focus, which is the opposite of safety. all things being equal, less attention causes accidents and makes them more severe, and greater skill prevents accidents and lessens severity. some of those "safety" features can cause accidents because they counteract rather than complement the measures of a skilled driver.
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by mulmen on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:55PM (#27666121)
Safety features reduce cognitive load and allow reallocation of limited attention span.

Take the example of (airline) autopilots. Or in the case of a car lane keeping and radar cruise control. The driver can reallocate the cognitive energy used for precise steering input and throttle control to situational awareness, further improving safety.

These features improve safety, even (especially!) in the hands of competent drivers.

Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by clairity on Monday June 28, 2021 @06:31PM (#27669121)
> "Safety features reduce cognitive load and allow reallocation of limited attention span."

no, attention does not magically get more focused on driving by reducing already low cognitive load. most driving is already routinized, falsely lulling us into an illusory sense of security. humans do not magically get more attentive under routine when invited to be even more comfortable. autopilot is a great example: pilots eat, sleep, drink, read, and chat more, rather than paying more attention to the environment, controls, dials and gauges. this is also why traffic calming techniques that reduce overall danger are about making the ever-present risks more apparent (adding roadside trees, narrowing lanes), rather than the opposite.

those so-called "safety" features optimize for the 99% of the time that situations are routine and fine, rather than the 1% of time that they're potentially deadly, because they reduce skill and experience useful in those 1% situations. pilots talk about the same general lack of emergency preparedness induced by autopilot dependence.

Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by glandium on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:40AM (#27658753)
Something I've often wondered but don't think I've seen studies of is whether those decreases in fatalities are "compensated" by an increase of injuries. IoW, there could very much be more accidents and at the same time less of them fatal.
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by b3morales on Monday June 28, 2021 @11:59AM (#27663554)
Notice, however, that pedestrian fatalities (further down on the same page) have soared. They do not share in the safety features that benefit the motorists who kill them.
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by mulmen on Monday June 28, 2021 @12:49PM (#27664256)
What about safety features like automatic braking?
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by b3morales on Tuesday June 29, 2021 @06:05PM (#27682371)
I'm not sure; does that detect non-car objects reliably?
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by quickthrower2 on Sunday June 27, 2021 @04:15AM (#27649634)
If it’s 40c outside, heatstroke might be a bit distracting, so I’ll keep my air conditioner thanks
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by Rumudiez on Monday June 28, 2021 @12:30PM (#27663982)
It was 46C here yesterday and I took my car without A/C out for an errand. The day before I enjoyed a motorcycle ride in similar weather. It can be done, but I don’t think the hvac is nearly as distracting as fiddling with a phone or even the radio since it’s more of a set-and-forget control.
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by carlmr on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:51AM (#27659477)
Exactly, when my AC broke on my last car I found the heat quite distracting.
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by makeitdouble on Monday June 28, 2021 @12:50AM (#27658237)
Good for you !

Now, a lot of people would be sleeping at the wheel with no radio.

No AC during winter would mean driving with heavy coats on, so I’m not sure it would be safer. During summer it means no driving at all (which could be great in itself, but it’s a harder sale than you make it look)

My point is, someone’s distraction is likely someone else’s saving feature.

Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by bshimmin on Monday June 28, 2021 @04:26AM (#27659323)
If the only thing keeping you awake at the wheel is having the radio on, rather than driving you should be having a break (for some people, a coffee and a micro-nap will work wonders).
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by nicoburns on Monday June 28, 2021 @11:06AM (#27662906)
Agreed, if it's the only thing keeping you awake, but plenty of people find it easier to concentrate on a task if there is also a "distraction". It's like when school children fiddle with a pen to help them concentrate. The teacher might think it's a sign that they're not paying attention, but actually it's enabling them to pay attention.
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by makeitdouble on Monday June 28, 2021 @05:11AM (#27659580)
I see it as a scale, where having the radio on or not could push a few point more regarding engagement in the task.

The same way someone shouldn't be driving if they're dead tired, but even if they're in an alert state, drinking a cup of coffee can sharpen them a bit more.

Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by 5e92cb50239222b on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:13AM (#27658649)
This seems to me no more than a bunch of justifications. I live in a region with -40°C winters and +40°C summers (that's the extremes, but we see them every year, and the averages are not far off). Most people drive without air conditioning in summer and with just enough heating in winter to make the air tolerable in several layers of heavy clothing. It's fine.
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by makeitdouble on Monday June 28, 2021 @02:21AM (#27658684)
We all have our anecdotes, so to try get a bit of distance on how well people deal with heat:

> Results show a significant positive association between fatal traffic crashes and heat waves with a 3.4% (95% CI: 0.9, 5.9%) increase in fatal traffic crashes on heat wave days versus non-heat wave days.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00014...

Doesn’t look fine to me.

Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by slingnow on Monday June 28, 2021 @11:48AM (#27663420)
Sounds like a lot of people are fiddling with their AC settings and causing accidents.
Re:Show HN: A machine that detects when you text and drive t... by nik12795 on Saturday June 26, 2021 @10:46PM (#27648073)
That's a good point. And I do agree with you that, although it may be safer with less distractions, the average consumer would not be willing to give up those comforts. How do you feel about self driving cars?