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Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by SonicScrub on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:43AM (#27618325)
> I think China is just trying to take pot shots and their comments on the situation really just shows how their leadership appears to act like children

Yes. The reasoning behind their statements is a a way to distract from Canadian criticisms of Chinese human rights abuses, but the political agendas behind their statements do not make them any less true.

> Maybe the church should be shouldering more of the blame here perhaps?

I see this sentiment a lot in Canada with regards to the "who should be responsible for fixing this" question. The Church bearing all the responsibility gives most Canadians the convenient out of feeling deeply uncomfortable with a core part of their identity being associated with these horrific crimes. All Canadians are Canadian, but only some Canadians are Catholic after all. The history of these events tell us that both the government and the church were heavily involved, so I don't find the question "well which entity is MORE at fault" to be particularly useful.

Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by beiller on Thursday June 24, 2021 @11:11AM (#27618760)
Well at least we agree on one tiny part of the above. I guess I was a bit callous in my reply. This news has set of a somewhat violent chain reaction in Canada. I'm glad the news came out but lately I am disturbed how much "news" is just overhyping and conveniently lacking details in order to drive ad revenue, and this is the perfect story for that. Many people who I speak to are under the assumption that there was government run mass children murdering squads killing native American children execution style. I am very sympathetic to the atrocities native American people went through _and it continues to this day_. Children are still taken from their homes today via child services meanwhile education on reserves is under funded making native children on reserves far more likely to wind up in foster homes. What do we do to fix it? We're protesting against figures in the past and doing nothing today because we all think it's over.
Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by ipaddr on Thursday June 24, 2021 @08:37PM (#27625768)
The news seems to be craving/inventing chaos since covid. Each crisis pushes the last out of the spotlight. It's cycling so quickly it has given rise to outrage culture. The media are dumping some moral crisis' on the viewer and trying to extract whatever emotion the view has left.

People are confused and want to attack anything.

Perhaps this is covid / lockdown induced.

Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by krapp on Thursday June 24, 2021 @08:52PM (#27625867)
Are you implying that the Canadian news industry only covered this story, or even manufactured it, in order to extract rage-clicks from their viewers... as opposed to covering it because it happened and was newsworthy?

Or that public outrage is merely the result of people being confused and punch-drunk from the psychological toll of the constant media news cycle... as opposed to an understandable reaction to the discovery of mass indigenous child graves at a residential school?

I can understand cynicism when it comes to the media but writing this off as outrage culture and essentially "fake news" seems like a bridge too far. I'm sure it's good for karma though.

Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by ipaddr on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:26PM (#27626519)
Not fake news, well known facts being presented as news.

The volume has been turned up to 10 and the media wants you to react. To get angry. To be controlled.

Remember George Floyd? All of that stuff is still happening but the protests have moved on. The calls to defund have changed. This social movement is stalled.. until the next cycle. But day to day injustice keeps happening.

Don't be part of the outraged mob unless you plan on being outraged for a longtime.

Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by beerandt on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:00PM (#27626362)
It's the sudden urgency and staged-shock that's the problem. Framing it as the most important story for you to read today, even though it's been known and newsworthy for years, and 50% of the text was copied from the story that ran on page 16F 10 years ago.

Doing a few 10'x10' scans with GPR (which should never be trusted without ground truthing confirmation), then extrapolating it across a football field, and getting numbers that roughly agree with previous estimates isn't a breaking news update.

Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by lostlogin on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:57AM (#27627283)
> It's the sudden urgency and staged-shock that's the problem.

That’s a problem, sure. But I find the body count rather more alarming.

Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by beerandt on Friday June 25, 2021 @04:14AM (#27628297)
That's my point- there's no reason to wake up today and be shocked that TB used to kill a lot of people, including kids.

If I found a plantation house with 1000's of bodies buried in the yard, and forensic evidence shows most died a violent death, in a pattern of killings that repeated itself for decades...

would you be alarmed at the body count at Arlington?

Then why are you alarmed at the body count of a overgrown cemetery "found" where it was expected to be found, and containing roughly the same number of graves expected?

Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by lostlogin on Friday June 25, 2021 @01:53PM (#27634109)
> would you be alarmed at the body count at Arlington?

Alarmed isn’t quite the right word. But it’s likely close.

> Then why are you alarmed at the body count of a overgrown cemetery "found" where it was expected to be found, and containing roughly the same number of graves expected?

I had no idea this was a thing or that any schooling system regularly buried children.

Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by pbourke on Thursday June 24, 2021 @11:11AM (#27618766)
Also, churches and governments were working hand-in-glove and the public approved of, or at the very least ignored, what they were doing. Blame cannot be laid at the feet of any one group as all shared equally in sustaining this terrible system.
Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by soperj on Thursday June 24, 2021 @10:52AM (#27618475)
Just to be clear, it wasn't just the catholic church that was running these, there was also the anglican church.
Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by sudosysgen on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:25PM (#27619871)
It was more than even then two, a great many dénominations ran residential schools.
Re:Canada: Hundreds of unmarked graves found at residential ... by soperj on Thursday June 24, 2021 @12:57PM (#27620420)
yeah I see the presbys in there as well. I just knew the Anglican Church was involved off the top of my head, because they ran the Residential school in my city.