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Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by stusmall on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:53PM (#27609265)
There was a ruling today approving his extradition to the US. US officials were about to get him and he was facing extremely serious charges. That's a really important bit of context to keep in mind before jumping to ideas that some shadowy "they" had him killed.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by ufmace on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:17PM (#27610502)
The timing does make me suspicious. I'm generally willing to believe he was "suicided" by some shadowy conspiracy. But if that's what happened, why would they do it on the day his extradition was approved?

If our secret ninja assassins wanted to take him out because he Knew Too Much or whatever, they could do that any old time. Why do it on the day his extradition was approved instead of some random day 6 months ago or something.

On the other hand, it seems much more reasonable that a man whose extradition to the US to face Federal Criminal charges was just approved might suddenly decide to kill himself rather than deal with that.

Unless of course the Secret Ninja Assassins knew that and decided to kill him today to make it look less suspicious. But then we're really getting into the weeds of conspiracy, where any crazy thing we could dream up might have happened.

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by austhrow743 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @08:57PM (#27612599)
If he got murdered the connection to the extradition hearing to me would be that people are afraid he will talk and they're less confident in their ability to get to him in a US prison than a Spanish one.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by dontblink on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:34PM (#27610723)
Or they could only get too him in a Spanish prison and they ran out of time.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by Mirioron on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @07:23PM (#27611844)
Wouldn't be unusual for the US. Gitmo is specifically not on US soil to avoid dealing with US laws.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by dragonwriter on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @07:30PM (#27611914)
> Gitmo is specifically not on US soil to avoid dealing with US laws.

“Camp Delta at Gitmo is used...” is more accurate here than “Gitmo is specifically not on US soil...”; Johnson v. Eisentrager (1950) was not a motivating factor in securing the lease at Guatanamo Bay (in 1903) but was a factor in siting the temporary (Camp X-Ray) and later permanent (Camp Delta) detention facilities for War on Terror detainees there.

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by bronzeage on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:23PM (#27610580)
You literally answered it yourself: you find the suicide more believable today. If you find it more believable today, and their motivation is obscuring the murder, this is the perfect timing actually.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by paulpauper on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:16PM (#27609664)
I have hard time believing this, either that he died or his motive. Tax evasion has one of the most lenient punishments of white collar crimes.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by AceJohnny2 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:20PM (#27609722)
McAfee has shown time and again that he wasn't a reliable or rational person.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by jahewson on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:21PM (#27610554)
Paying taxes is even less painful and he didn’t do that.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by bingidingi on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:25PM (#27609812)
He had enough charges lined up (up to 5 years for every count, IIRC) that he would likely be imprisoned for life. Goes without saying but he was also an incredibly paranoid person.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by CommieBobDole on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:33PM (#27609937)
Yeah, but federal sentencing guidelines are complicated and it's very unlikely he'd serve anything like the possible maximum sentence. Trial probably would have dragged on for a few years and he'd eventually plead to something and serve a couple of years in a minimum security prison.

That said, he was 75, so I guess even a few years could potentially be a life sentence.

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by paulpauper on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:30PM (#27609890)
I doubt it. charges tend to run concurrently. If he cooperated and paid what he could, likely he would serve no time.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by dragonwriter on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:39PM (#27610799)
> He had enough charges lined up (up to 5 years for every count, IIRC) that he would likely be imprisoned for life

Usually, without aggravating circumstances, federal sentences would run concurrently, though thr multiplicity might push them up within the range permitted. So, lots of nonviolent up to 5 years per count crimes with no particular extreme factors likely adds up to...about 5 years.

Which at his age might still be a sizable fraction of his life, and he wouldn't be the first person to act based on an unrealistic estimate based on what is theoretically possible rather than likely.

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by Hamuko on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:27PM (#27610621)
He was 75.8 years old at the time of his death and the average life expectancy for a male in the United States is 76.3.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by jeffbee on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @06:32PM (#27611393)
That's not really how that works. The life expectancy of an American male who already attained aged 75 is 11 more years.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by fastball on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:00PM (#27610286)
Unless McAfee has dirt on you, and getting extradited to the US with serious crimes against him means a high likelihood of him turning state's witness.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by jahewson on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:20PM (#27610534)
He’s not exactly going to appear credible in court.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by fastball on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:26PM (#27610616)
When I say dirt I don't mean hearsay. I mean physical evidence.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by TheAdamAndChe on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:56PM (#27609314)
Though it is also highly notable that he publicly posted "I'm not going to kill myself, and if I do then I was probably assassinated" before his death.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by nullsmack on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:03PM (#27609429)
And then he killed himself to set off moronic conspiracy theories as a final FU to the USA.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by colordrops on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:14PM (#27609613)
Which is more believable, that he was murdered, or that he killed himself to troll people?
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by willis936 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:16PM (#27609665)
Truly the latter. He was not a well-adjusted, grounded individual.

Also, what benefit is there to the US to kill him? They already won. Being able to kill people you have custody of is a weak message compared to "nowhere is safe from us".

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by bingidingi on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:28PM (#27609848)
They don't want him in the press talking about what exactly? He didn't exactly come across as a guy that would flee to central america to keep decades-long secrets.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by colordrops on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:23PM (#27609777)
They don't want him in the press talking. And it sends a message.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by Gigamo on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:42PM (#27610056)
He was literally tweeting up until a few days ago. What makes you think he'd need the press to "unveil" anything "they" "don't want him talking about"?
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by colordrops on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:48PM (#27610144)
No one was paying attention to his tweets. He'd get a lot of attention in an extradition.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by willis936 on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:29PM (#27609879)
The message was already sent: you can't flee from the IRS once you are a target. Showing you're not afraid to kill enemies isn't nearly as chilling.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by watwut on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:35PM (#27609963)
Prisoners dont get to talk to press all that much. You are 100% of time under controll. And having him in prison for long sends even better message then maybe-murder-maybe-not.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by CRConrad on Friday June 25, 2021 @11:09AM (#27631753)
What high-level conspiracies was he supposed to have been a party to, that he could have leaked?
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by julianeon on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:38PM (#27610003)
He didn't kill himself to troll people, really.

He killed himself to damage the reputation of the US government.

He couldn't escape from imprisonment, and he couldn't do much to harm the government. But he could do this.

It was the most he could do, so (I think) it's what he did.

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by rchaud on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @05:09PM (#27610414)
How would the reputation of the US government be affected? McAfee is not a popular international figure, and he's not a martyr for any kind of cause that people will rally around.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by timmytokyo on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @06:39PM (#27611458)
The reputation of the US government will not be affected. But I can imagine that in McAfee's confused mind, it would be.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by colordrops on Thursday June 24, 2021 @09:12PM (#27626026)
Everyone here seems to have some inside track on McAffe's mental state. It's so ridiculous presumptuous, when we barely have an understanding of the mental state of those close to us.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by CRConrad on Friday June 25, 2021 @11:11AM (#27631769)
So how do you know he wouldn't have killed himself...?
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by colordrops on Friday June 25, 2021 @12:25PM (#27632857)
I'm not stating anything with certainty, but he said multiple times over the years that authorities were threatening him with exactly this, a staged suicide, to the point that he even got it tattooed on himself, because he knew the media would push a narrative claiming he was crazy and suicidal. People are going so far as to say that he killed himself to troll people. The lengths people will go to avoid facing the truth that their leaders are sociopathic gangsters is extreme.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by CRConrad on Friday June 25, 2021 @05:39PM (#27636606)
Yeah, well... From where I sit it looks more like this: The lengths people will go to, to avoid facing the overwhelmingly probable truth that the old tax-evading murderers on the lam they still for some reason admire are sociopathic gangsters, is extreme.

Really, honestly, seriously. Have you even tried to consider it could be that way around? Occam's razor suggests -- no, it screams! -- that he killed himself:

* People get desperate and kill themselves in some situations. McAfee was in a typical such situation.

* Having killed himself -- or not, as some would have it -- at the moment McAfee is big news. People (such as yourself) are (literally) screeching bloody murder. If there is anything to find, investigative journalists now have lots of incentive to look for it. If he'd just been extradited, probably no one would have cared; there might have been a few short articles noting the fact, and that would be that. Wouldn't it be stupid, then, to kill him since that would only attract all this attention (that you and I are lavishing on it)? How plausible is it that any actor that has the resources to have someone "whacked" is that stupid?

* Lots of people (you possibly among them?) have suggested that he was killed because "they wanted him silenced". I have asked a few what, exactly he is supposed to have had on anyone that would warrant "silencing" him. So far nobody has had any suggestions. Do you?

So, yeah, it does indeed look like some are doing their best to avoid facing the truth: You all who see a conspiracy here.

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by svloop on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:18PM (#27609696)
Do you realize you are ditching a conspiracy with a conspiracy?
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by DFHippie on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:42PM (#27610047)
Which raises an interesting question: can a conspiracy consist of a single person? How about if that person speaks to himself?

More to your point -- replacing one weakly substantiated theory with another -- there are still degrees of plausibility among unsubstantiated theories.

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by dragontamer on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @03:59PM (#27609370)
That was 2 years ago though. A lot in a person's life can change in just 2 years.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by TheAdamAndChe on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:04PM (#27609457)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27609346

He's also indicated much more recently that any "suicide" wouldn't be such.

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by babypuncher on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:22PM (#27609752)
The man has spent most of his life lying and cheating, why would anyone believe him when he says this?
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by dtech on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:30PM (#27609887)
That's also 9 months ago, "before his death" is a bit misleading.
Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by ruined on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:41PM (#27610044)
and if he'd posted it yesterday, you'd be saying it's so soon that it's suspicious and he's obviously up to something.

what's the optimal cooldown to post affirmations of life so that you believe they're true?

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by dragontamer on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:44PM (#27610080)
I guess I discount the words of others pretty strongly, especially when it comes to conspiracy theories.

Instead of trying to look for evidence in someone's tweets, how about we look at the facts on the ground. Such as: was he on suicide watch? Is this jail reliable? Is there a history of conspiracy and/or corruption in this jailhouse?

Re:John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approv... by colordrops on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @04:15PM (#27609638)
Very strange that you are being down voted.