Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but experts split

Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by vincnetas on Monday June 21, 2021 @01:02AM (#27576460)

If you would treat devs like warehouse workers right now,all devs would run away. I mean force them to be 100% effective all the 8 hours and track every move they make. On the other hand allow warehouse workers flexible schedule and decent pay so they could live decent life by puting in 20 hours a week (even while measuring every move they make) and i bet there would be devs who would convert to warehouse workers.

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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by Animats on Monday June 21, 2021 @01:54AM (#27576672)

If you would treat devs like warehouse workers right now,all devs would run away. I mean force them to be 100% effective all the 8 hours and track every move they make.

CleverControl employee monitoring pitch: "This software offers powerful features: keylogging, screen recording, live viewing, remote settings, clipboard control, Skype monitoring, and more. The software records time that was spent on this or that activity and shows you stats in graphs. Besides, the app captures screenshots at all important events like right-clicking and window change, and it can record activity near the device with the help of a webcam and microphone. Moreover, CleverControl records employees’ active and inactive time, letting you detect lazybones and reward hard work."

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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by vincnetas on Monday June 21, 2021 @02:08AM (#27576722)

This would trigger Italian strike in me (as a dev) immediately :)

"Another unconventional tactic is work-to-rule (also known as an Italian strike, in Italian: Sciopero bianco), in which workers perform their tasks exactly as they are required to but no better."

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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by gombosg on Monday June 21, 2021 @02:57AM (#27576936)

I heard about these tracking software and I sincerely hope they won't get any more prevalent. As I see they are somewhat present in the contracting world.

I treat it as a total, humiliating devaluation of creative engineering work (and thus their identity!) to that of unskilled factory workers.

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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by ForHackernews on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:05AM (#27577482)

Eventually, maybe developers will realize that they have a lot more in common with those "unskilled" workers they disdain than they do with their capitalist owners.

Unions would be helpful for both, in my view.

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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by ikrenji on Monday June 21, 2021 @07:30AM (#27578169)

anyone employed anywhere should be unionized, thats just common sense

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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by nsonha on Monday June 21, 2021 @02:39AM (#27576870)

can they already do this with all the data they have in github? Not that I would endorse it, but that sounds like better data for tracking. Instead of enforcing time you enforce activities.

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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by rtkwe on Monday June 21, 2021 @09:11AM (#27578786)

No this is massively more invasive than checking your commit history. Github doesn't know moment to moment what you're doing while these invasive tracking programs do.

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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by nsonha on Monday June 21, 2021 @06:56PM (#27585624)

my point is that they can already do this with commit history (and more), while this is an inferior way of tracking, regardless of privacy concerns.

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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by rtkwe on Monday June 21, 2021 @08:41PM (#27586566)

Commit history only tells them when you do commits... these tools tell you what people are doing between commits. There's no way a single tool's history gives more information than logging every keystroke and monitoring the screen... At best it's a less noisy stream but doesn't contain nearly as much information.

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Re:Japan's government plans to encourage 4-day workweek, but... by rvba on Monday June 21, 2021 @02:18AM (#27576771)

Put so much demands that they work for 12 hours per day 6 days per week, while nominal time is 8 hours and 4 days - rest is unpaid overtime.

This is how it works already in many companies, also infamous 996

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