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Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by stepanhruda on Monday June 21, 2021 @01:01AM (#27576456)
Alternatively, the benefit can be on a decreasing curve / phased out to prevent these cliff situations?
Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by dragonwriter on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:40AM (#27577642)
> Alternatively, the benefit can be on a decreasing curve / phased out to prevent these cliff situations?

That’s not an alternative to UBI, that’s what UBI (in a system which has income taxes) is. The marginal income tax rate provides the phased reduction in effective benefits.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by occamrazor on Monday June 21, 2021 @01:19AM (#27576531)
That’s better, but still inefficient. One example is a minimum guaranteed income. There is no cliff, but it removes the financial incentive to work more or find a better job for people earning below the threshold.
Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by nerdponx on Monday June 21, 2021 @01:08AM (#27576488)
The conspiracy theory is that it's to deliberately keep people poor and suffering. Hanlon's razor and all, but it's hard to come up with another justification.

Anyone work in government or know a lot about the relevant history? Is there a good reason why it works like this?

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by pydry on Monday June 21, 2021 @02:58AM (#27576941)
It disincentivizes people to ask for raises. That's a feature if you run a business.

I'm skeptical of the idea that it was accidental.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by ironmagma on Monday June 21, 2021 @01:12AM (#27576503)
Isn’t a cliff simply a ramp with infinite slope? I would suspect the problem is that if we can’t tune something as simple as a step function correctly (which is just an x intercept), it seems even less likely we would be able to tune a ramp (more variables - x intercept and a slope, and that’s assuming it should even be linear instead of e.g. quadratic).
Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by dragonwriter on Monday June 21, 2021 @05:44AM (#27577661)
> Isn’t a cliff simply a ramp with infinite slope? I would suspect the problem is that if we can’t tune something as simple as a step function correctly (which is just an x intercept), it seems even less likely we would be able to tune a ramp (more variables - x intercept and a slope, and that’s assuming it should even be linear instead of e.g. quadratic).

One of the challenges of tuning means-tested welfare phase-outs is that means-tested welfare consists of dozens of different programs, most of which have additional qualifications besides the means test, governed by different levels of government, often with different definitions of what income counts against the phaseout.

UBI makes that simpler by consolidation.

Re:Policies that make the poor less poor by function_seven on Monday June 21, 2021 @04:24AM (#27577307)
Something as simple as “for each $1.00 you earn above the eligibility threshold, this benefit will decrease by $0.50.” would do the trick.

For those close to the line, there would always be a benefit to accepting that slightly better job.