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Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by streamofdigits on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:09AM (#27513192)
What is it with the British Isles and their "job specialization" in arbitraging / milking the economy of continental Europe?

From the financial rent seeking of London, to the tax and privacy regulatory arbitrages of Ireland the same pattern of exploiting arbitrarily erected information walls to evade scrutiny and accountability.

Of course this is a tango that takes three to dance...

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by brnt on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:53AM (#27513455)
London is an exercise in marketing, to see how far peoples suspension of disbelief can be stretched whilst being a net drain on a country it isn't even strictly part of, and a drain the world as a whole.

It is amazing to see how Brits outside of (hell, even in) London live, the British countryside has some of the poorest areas in western Europe. Evidence marketing is effective!

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by maccard on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:54AM (#27513965)
> the British countryside has some of the poorest areas in western Europe

All rich countries have impovrished areas that have been left behind.

> It is amazing to see how Brits outside of (hell, even in) London live,

The same can be said for California, New York, Florida, Dublin, Paris, Barcelona, etc.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by brnt on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:08AM (#27516588)
> All rich countries have impovrished areas that have been left behind.

Check which countries make the top 10 lists in QoL. You'll find their ghetto's are as nice to live as some of Britain's good neighbourhoods!

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by seniorivn on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:34AM (#27515272)
Swiss don't
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by bojan on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:25AM (#27515971)
In The Netherlands they are few and far between.
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by ForHackernews on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:32AM (#27514323)
What parts of the British countryside are poor?

Anecdotally, the stereotypical British farmer is a wealthy Tory, and low income populations are concentrated in council estates in postindustrial northern towns and cities (i.e. not the countryside).

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by toyg on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:43AM (#27514445)
to most non-brits, Britain is effectively divided between "London" and "anything else". This "anything else" can be referenced to, more or less interchangeably, as "the countryside", "Scotland" or (after Game of Thrones) "the North". Manchester is basically a London suburb, Sheffield is just a factory that closed in the '80s, and Birmingham doesn't exist.
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by alexgmcm on Wednesday June 23, 2021 @11:23AM (#27605590)
Cornwall has some of the worst poverty in Western Europe.

The Welsh Valleys too since the loss of the mines.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by mc32 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:53AM (#27516384)
From my US PoV, most smallholder farmers in the UK are not rich or wealthy, but almost subsistence --perhaps better than break even but do not generate enough income so one partner has to keep a professional job.

As for post industrial rust-towns, I think of the northeast/Newcastle, Humberside & Scotland --maybe influenced by 'The Post War Dream' and Kris Killip's photography.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by ForHackernews on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:52AM (#27517264)
Maybe it's a matter of perspective: If you buy a million pound property to live in and keep as a hobby farm that also generates a little bit of income, are you "subsistence" or in fact "very wealthy"?
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by HPsquared on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:00AM (#27514026)
>> net drain on a country it isn't even strictly part of

Not quite: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_fiscal_balance

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by estaseuropano on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:28AM (#27515144)
London and the City of London are different entities.
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by newroman on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:19AM (#27515882)
good job it's not talking about the city of London, then
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by rusk on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:41AM (#27513379)
You think this stuff doesn’t go on in Paris or Frankfurt? Luxembourg is a whole city state dedicated to this kind of thing.

They’re just better at keeping under the radar and probably have better PR.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by nivenkos on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:44AM (#27513395)
The former PM of Luxembourg was also the head of the EU.

They're running the dog and pony show.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by rusk on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:52AM (#27513450)
It goes on everywhere. New York is the same.

Ireland is an outlier in the fact that her ascendancy coincided with the US tech boom and language was an advantage. You have a very awkward situation developing and the current political leaders don't have the imagination to get out of it.

The UK is an outlier because though they had a far more robust and diverse economy they threw everything into finance and have just burned any bridges back.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by Silhouette on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:34AM (#27515276)
The UK is an outlier because though they had a far more robust and diverse economy they threw everything into finance and have just burned any bridges back.

That's not really true.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06...

The financial services sector only contributes around 7% of total UK economic output.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by rusk on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:03AM (#27515679)
Yeah that’s what they want you to think. Just like how Ireland has the highest GDP in Europe or some nonsense
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by blibble on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:54AM (#27513460)
let me introduce you to the existence of the Netherlands and Luxembourg
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by mpweiher on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:15AM (#27513224)
With Ireland, this was intentional by the EU to bring the then new member closer to the rest, economically.

Now that Ireland has passed most of the rest of the EU in GDP per capita, it's time to pull that back, and that's starting to happen.

The UK...well... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by HPsquared on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:57AM (#27513992)
It's a bit like the relationship between China and Hong Kong (until recently, at least)
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by s_dev on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:00AM (#27513526)
>What is it with the British Isles

It's not a British Isle -- it's an Irish one. Great Britain refers to the main island composing England, Scotland and Wales. The Irish isle of Ireland is composed of the two Irelands (Ireland and Northern Ireland). The 'British Isles' term is disputed by many Irish people. The reason it's not a geographic term is because it's not a river -- Britain is a geopolitical entity not a purely geographic one.

The fact the Ireland was head of the GDPR for the EU was merely an odd coincidence and has been rectified. You won't many upset Irish people over this.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by tremon on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:25AM (#27513705)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles

> The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Hebrides and over six thousand smaller islands. [They] include two sovereign states, the Republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by anonymousDan on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:55AM (#27513970)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute

No-one in Ireland would refer to them as the British Isles.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by dangerface on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:22AM (#27515037)
I do
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by overscore on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:27AM (#27526194)
No-one is obviously hyperbole, but it's extremely uncommon in Ireland. It's a shortcut to start an argument, for sure.
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by dangerface on Friday June 18, 2021 @12:01PM (#27551743)
People in Northern Ireland like me consider themselves British and we are a third of the population, while obviously not the majority I wouldn't call it uncommon.
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by overscore on Friday June 18, 2021 @01:26PM (#27552703)
I also believe anyone in Northern Ireland who consider themselves to be British are British. However, does that imply usage of the term "British Isles"?

Simply Britain and Ireland (or Ireland and Britain) is far more commonly used if referring to the archipelago.

Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by s_dev on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:59AM (#27514013)
According to your own source the term is disputed -- a substantial amount of the article is dedicated to the dispute.
Re:Big tech face EU blow in national data watchdogs ruling by overscore on Wednesday June 16, 2021 @04:26AM (#27526186)
As your own link states, it's a controversial term and its use is objected to by the Irish Government: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles_naming_dispute

The talk pages and edit history for the Wikipedia article on the British Isles term are interesting. You can see the arguments and edit wars. Much like the insistence on naming the country page for Ireland the "Republic of Ireland' (which is our football team and country descriptor, not the name of the country), I think Wikipedia are on the wrong side of history here, but some editors até vociferous in their objections to change.