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Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by beebeepka on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @04:00AM (#27512514)
Just minor nitpick. Phoronix is one guy
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by viraptor on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:59AM (#27514686)
Correct, but I like British grammar, where companies are plural :-)
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by eptcyka on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @05:04AM (#27512847)
The test suite is open source, I'm sure Michael would appreciate some help :)
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by stewartmcgown on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @04:54AM (#27512781)
they can be singular
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Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by franciscop on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @05:32AM (#27512981)
Only if "They" is their given name and not a pronoun. If used as a pronoun, you can say "they are tall" in singular:

https://apastyle.apa.org/style-grammar-guidelines/grammar/si...).

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by bradleyjg on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @05:50AM (#27513069)
Seems like a violation of the strict aliasing rule.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by andrepd on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:29AM (#27513304)
How so?
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by CyberShadow on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:50AM (#27513922)
Because you use a "multiple" of pointers to refer to a single entity. (It's a C joke.)
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by mdp2021 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:04AM (#27513161)
That page you link to uses very ideological content - not philological as one could expect.

Not all will agree with those guidelines, they are far from universally acceptable.

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by PavleMiha on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:24AM (#27513701)
Think about it this way, we're playing Guess Who, and you haven't asked about gender yet. You ask "Do they have dark hair?". It's obviously a question about a singular person, and that's the correct way to structure that question in English.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by mdp2020 on Thursday June 24, 2021 @05:46AM (#27615589)
Certainly. But I referred to the presented guidelines, collectively - not to "singular they". I wrote and intended that _those linked guidelines_ are "not universal".
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by vidarh on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:21AM (#27514202)
Singular they in English usage dates back 600-700 years. People can disagree with those guidelines all they want - they will have to deal with the fact that people choose to use singular they and they can get worked up over it or get used to it.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by bradleyjg on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:58AM (#27514669)
Do you feel the same way about generic he? It too has a long history.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by roelschroeven on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:36AM (#27515314)
Yes, generic he can be used in the singular as well.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by vidarh on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @12:08PM (#27517472)
It is clearly valid. I personally don't care if others use "he" as a generic, but seeing at some people don't feel included when it is used, I increasingly use "they". Not least when I don't know someones preference, because I consider the most inclusive option to be the most polite.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by bradleyjg on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @12:17PM (#27517591)
I don’t feel included by they.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by vidarh on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @12:19PM (#27517624)
You objectively are, and in the choice of who to care about that means I have absolutely no interest in catering to people upset that others are included.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by bradleyjg on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @01:16PM (#27518427)
There’s no difference objectively between generic he and generic they. Both cover everyone. You just prefer one to the other. That’s fine, so do I.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by vidarh on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @01:30PM (#27518638)
There is an objective difference between generic he and generic they: In many contexts you can not tell whether the "he" was intended to be generic or not.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by mdp2020 on Thursday June 24, 2021 @05:54AM (#27615647)
I did not write anything about "singular they". I wrote against the legitimacy of those linked guidelines, which accidentally include "singular they".

The poster I replied to stated (I remember) that some use of language is made legitimate by some group laying out some guidelines. That some pretty random group («not philologists») lays out guidelines is maybe an "affiliation pass" for their group, but not universally valid.

You need grounds, good grounds. Check those guidelines...

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by andrepd on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:30AM (#27513319)
How so philological? Language changes all the time due to practice. People don't need to justify their speech with philological arguments.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by moomin on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:54AM (#27513966)
Yes, although in the case of singular they, its usage goes back to Chaucer, so it’s more established than most practices in modern English.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by mdp2020 on Thursday June 24, 2021 @05:47AM (#27615600)
I believe they do. Practice must have a reasonable reference. People are free to contribute to the language - but with some competence.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by majormajor on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @10:56AM (#27516420)
Where's the ideological content?

Some people: "let's use, of already-established pronouns, the one that doesn't make any assumptions about people" You: "no, fuck you, other people's interpretation of what I say is strictly their problem, I'm gonna stick with 'he' no matter what other people feel or request, because I can"

The only ideology I can see here is the absolutist sort of "nobody can even suggest to me that I change a thing" or "I can't possibly cause offense if I don't mean to, so I don't need to think about word usage."

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by bradleyjg on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:16AM (#27516726)
I don’t understand how it doesn’t make assumptions about people. In the case of a generic antecedent, sure that’s fine and well established historically. But in this case there’s a known antecedent, Michael Larabel.

I don’t know what Michael’s preferred pronouns are, but isn’t the original poster in this chain assuming it’s they/them and aren’t they more likely, statistically speaking, to be he/him?

Why does it somehow not count as misgendering when you they/them someone that prefers he/him or she/her?

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by vidarh on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @12:25PM (#27517719)
> Why does it somehow not count as misgendering when you they/them someone that prefers he/him or she/her?

Because one appears to make an assumption about gender, whether or not you intended it to be taken as a generic, while the other objectively is generic.

As far as options go, they/them minimises assumptions. Yes, some people might still take offence, but given that most of the people who take offence at that takes offence because they oppose inclusiveness of others, I'm perfectly fine with not respecting their choice in the matter.

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by bradleyjg on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @01:19PM (#27518468)
but given that most of the people who take offence at that takes offence because they oppose inclusiveness of others

You have some evidence of this or just the unshakable certainty of the self righteous?

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by vidarh on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @01:29PM (#27518627)
I go by experience. There may be exceptions, but I've yet to see one, so I don't particularly care if there's a large pool of exceptions outside the horizon of my personal experience.

If you are an exception and have a good reason for taking offence that doesn't involve excluding others, do tell.

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by andrepd on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:20AM (#27513264)
No, but "They are tall" is, which is gramatically plural but semantically singular.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by jraph on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:42AM (#27513854)
Is it grammatically plural? In "You are tall", "you" can be singular, and then so should "are" be, if I am not mistaken.

(I'm not a native English speaker)

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by umanwizard on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:54AM (#27513958)
“You” was exclusively plural (singular equivalent was “thou”), but its meaning shifted to be either singular or plural a few hundred years ago. So “are” was indeed a plural-only conjugation until that shift happened.

Now “you” is shifting again: in formal English it is still singular or plural, but in colloquial American English — at least where I’m from — it can only be singular. The plural form is “you guys” or “y’all”, depending on dialect. (The “guys” in this pronoun shouldn’t be confused with the noun “guys”, which is usually only used for boys and men; “you guys” is used to refer to groups of any gender).

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by andrepd on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:08AM (#27514816)
Exactly. There's loads of examples of such shifts in other languages, for example in Portuguese the formal you is conjugated in grammatical third person despite being semantically second person, arising from people being formally addressed in the third person ("Does the Right Honourable gentleman agree that...").
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by umanwizard on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @09:42AM (#27515409)
Same is true in Spanish, where "usted" ultimately derives from "vuestra merced".

For a completely different example, "on" in formal French means something like "one" in English: a pronoun for a general, unspecified person; as such, it takes singular conjugations. However, in colloquial speech, it means "we" and has almost completely replaced "nous" as a subject pronoun.

Thus: "il est" (he is); "on est" (we are, colloquial language); "nous sommes" (we are, standard language)

Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by scatters on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @05:46AM (#27513054)
Is "You art tall." a grammatically valid sentence? Obviously not; don't be silly.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by acer4666 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @04:45AM (#27512742)
Without knowledge of preferred pronouns, "they" seems appropriate.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by fgeiger on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @05:23AM (#27512933)
As I read it, the point was not about the wrong pronoun but about the fact that the suite is developed by one person and not a large team and that the burden of benchmarking Linux performance should maybe not rest on one person alone.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by rat9988 on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @05:42AM (#27513034)
You missed his point. There was no wrong pronoun, this is what he is claiming.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by UbrtrbNchDneRle on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @04:53AM (#27512776)
viraptor 1 : 0 the west.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by leadingthenet on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @06:01AM (#27513142)
...and people like to pretend this kind of nonsense hasn't penetrated into every social space.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by jraph on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:47AM (#27513897)
It unfortunately still hasn't penetrated into the most old school ones, apparently. Whatever you are talking about anyway.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by 5e92cb50239222b on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:27AM (#27514278)
If by "old school" you mean "everywhere outside of Silicon Valley", then maybe. Coming from a pretty conservative society, I read these sorts of discussions with mild amusement. I may have formed a mistaken impression of the US society, but it seems to me that it tends to bounce from one extreme of political or social views to another.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by jraph on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @08:39AM (#27514391)
I would not know, I live in Europe ;-) Extrema do exist here though.
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by IntelMiner on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @07:00AM (#27513524)
A single data point does not an argument make
Re:Linux with “memory folios”: a 7% performance boost when c... by MayeulC on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:53AM (#27517273)
But Michael tends to use "we" in his writings.