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Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by codeulike on Monday June 14, 2021 @06:26AM (#27501024)
I think four extra arms would be better, with some sort of onboard AI to co-ordinate their movements. You'd need some sort of inhibitor chip to stop the AI in the arms taking over the mind of the wearer though.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by croon on Monday June 14, 2021 @07:09AM (#27501260)
I'm 80% sure this is a Doc Ock reference, but not completely.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by noindiecred on Monday June 14, 2021 @07:11AM (#27501274)
Came here to see this exact comment. Was not disappointed :)
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by karmicthreat on Sunday June 13, 2021 @10:56PM (#27498794)
But will they be good enough to let me play T. C. Vilabier's 26th String-Specific Sonata For An Instrument Yet To Be Invented?
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by amarant on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:26AM (#27499552)
Probably not, but you might be able to pull off a Lords of Excrement cover by yourself
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by adolph on Monday June 14, 2021 @09:13AM (#27502112)
Certainly one would help with stealing the Heart of Gold
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by perilunar on Monday June 14, 2021 @02:14AM (#27499786)
This is cool, but at the same time the discussed applications are so boring. The most obvious and exciting application (to me, anyway) would be to use the extra limbs as wings. i.e. an exoskeleton wingsuit.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by paulluuk on Monday June 14, 2021 @03:56AM (#27500349)
I think that an engine+battery that is both powerful enough to power the wings, and lightweight enough to be able to take off, is the real challenge.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by brippalcharrid on Monday June 14, 2021 @05:15AM (#27500702)
You simply await the development of nuclear isotope batteries (up to a five-order-of-magnitude improvement on chemical batteries) as a mature technology: https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a433348.pdf

(And hope that the technology doesn't lead to a new era of arms proliferation with the use of non-fission primaries)

Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by perilunar on Monday June 14, 2021 @07:20AM (#27501320)
No need — regular hydrocarbons have a high enough specific energy to do the job.

The largest pterosaur, Quetzalcoatlus, had a wingspan of ~10 meters and an estimated mass of 200–250kg [1]. I don’t know how much power they could produce, but it can’t have been more than a few horsepower given they weighed less than a half a horse.

A 30cc petrol motor will easily output 2–3 horsepower, and weighs less than 10 kg. Combine it with wings from a hang glider (similar wingspan, weight ~30kg), and as long as the powertrain isn’t too heavy (compressor + pneumatic artificial muscles?), it seems possible to build something light enough to carry a human.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quetzalcoatlus

Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by brippalcharrid on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @12:42PM (#27517943)
Yep, there was I under the impression that this was more of a marginal endeavour than it really is; I was probably thinking along the lines of human-powered aircraft. I'd imagine that a lot of safety problems and requirements for a very skilled pilot could be reduced in the future with computer control/brain-computer interfaces and exoskeletons.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by smaddox on Monday June 14, 2021 @05:35PM (#27508616)
What are the odds that this went classified and is already working and being used in the field?
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by fsloth on Monday June 14, 2021 @09:17AM (#27502147)
I think it's exciting to first get mass production going with as many boring and mundane tasks as possible. Then those more relevant and interesting applications are easier to invent since the base population that can afford these is much larger.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by jagger27 on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:06PM (#27497858)
I wonder how hard it would be for a human brain to adapt to controlling 2 extra limbs? This kind of tech coupled with something like Neuralink seems like an excellent field of study.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by shezi on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:51AM (#27499687)
According to the recent article on an extra robotic thumb, people got used to it very quickly. And that one wasn't even controlled by neural link, but by sensors on the user's toes.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27218940

Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by colordrops on Sunday June 13, 2021 @09:31PM (#27498377)
We adapt to controlling countless complex things; I'd imagine we'd adapt very quickly to controlling these.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by idiotsecant on Sunday June 13, 2021 @11:42PM (#27499054)
I'm not so sure. We're good at controlling things with lesser degrees of freedom than our bodies naturally possess. I am not sure wed be very good at controlling things with more dof unless it was very high level octopus arm type control (arm, get the red ball and drop it here)
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by ipsum2 on Monday June 14, 2021 @03:06AM (#27500094)
FPV drones are good counter-example to this.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by idiotsecant on Monday June 14, 2021 @03:55PM (#27507468)
A quadcopter has 6 degrees of freedom. A single human arm has 30 degrees of freedom.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by eru on Sunday June 13, 2021 @11:40PM (#27499037)
I'm sure people will adapt, but probably not very quickly.

Of course, it depends on the level of proficiency you want to reach. But it's already hard enough for people to eg learn to play Tennis, or learn to play Tennis with their left hand, when they normally use they right hand.

Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by jagger27 on Sunday June 13, 2021 @10:37PM (#27498700)
I think so too.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by miej on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @11:20AM (#27516772)
i believe it would be quite difficult. if you actually look at the structure of the human brain (eg the homonculus model of the cortex) you will note that a very large portion of the brain is dedicated to just the hands/manual dexterity. Many of the current neural prosthetics seem to act by attempting to leverage the brain's use of already-existing neural pathways being used for other functions. Sort of a "turn on my microwave when i open my refrigerator"-type dependence. I think a good sign of truly independent supernumerary prosthetics would be if some users reported phantom limb sensations in their absence
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by crooked-v on Monday June 14, 2021 @02:09AM (#27499763)
Lots of humans adapt to fine control of cars relatively quickly, and that's through the clumsy mechanisms of steering wheel, pedals, and shifter.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by JoachimS on Monday June 14, 2021 @05:37AM (#27500798)
The human ability to adapt and incorporate tools, objects and use them naturally to perform complex tasks is so impressive and interesting.

Driving, cars, flying airplanes (including sitting 10m+ off the ground in cockpit in a 747). Things like playing ice hockey, kite surfing etc. Highly complex activities (including interacting with several others and even plan ahead), often performed at speeds way beyond what a human can move about.

Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by jaqalopes on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:18PM (#27497925)
Only a few more pairs until the world’s best Doctor Octopus cosplay becomes possible.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by themanmaran on Sunday June 13, 2021 @08:57PM (#27498150)
Snake-like robots are already quite effective: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMop3wyGC_Y
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by eru on Sunday June 13, 2021 @11:41PM (#27499046)
For a light hearted take on controlling a snake, try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_Pass_(video_game)

It's available on eg Nintendo Switch and a blast to control.

Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by wyldfire on Tuesday June 15, 2021 @01:15AM (#27511574)
Just one more pair. Doc Ock has four artificial limbs.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by kleiba on Monday June 14, 2021 @07:31AM (#27501383)
Finally, the party problem solved: one arm for holding your drink, one arm for holding a plate, and one or two arms to put some food from the plate into your mouth.
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by saivan on Sunday June 13, 2021 @10:44PM (#27498730)
Oh, I want to be first in line to become the first official General Grievous
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by theshadowknows on Sunday June 13, 2021 @09:12PM (#27498257)
First thing I thought of was “wow that would make boxing matches way more interesting.”
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by Baeocystin on Sunday June 13, 2021 @10:16PM (#27498594)
As seen in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalobox :D

Sorta. Good series, though.

Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by fnord77 on Sunday June 13, 2021 @10:28PM (#27498646)
there was some old movie or show where an opponent had four arms. He just grabbed the two arms of the human with two arms then started pummeling his face with his other two arms.

at the time it seemed pretty clever

Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by modeless on Sunday June 13, 2021 @11:41PM (#27499051)
This definitely happens in Mortal Kombat (1)
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by fnord77 on Monday June 14, 2021 @06:53AM (#27501164)
yes, that was it!
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by layoutIfNeeded on Monday June 14, 2021 @01:11AM (#27499490)
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by fnord77 on Sunday June 13, 2021 @10:29PM (#27498654)
Uncanny valley vibes
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by kovacs_x on Monday June 14, 2021 @11:31AM (#27503804)
Tail anyone? :D
Re:Supernumerary Robotic Limbs by bserge on Monday June 14, 2021 @03:53AM (#27500336)
Ha, I've always been saying I'd like to have 4 arms like Goro from Mortal Kombat.

I guess some people actually working in this field had similar ideas :D

Though tbh having those arms on an independent robot would be much more versatile.

Alternatively, they need to have their own support (so basically, an exoskeleton) because the human body is not up to the task of supporting all the extra weight.