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Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by saulrh on Sunday July 10, 2011 @10:15AM (#2747813)
Every time I see a grammatical argument like this, my first thought is that parentheses, or another way to precisely denote grouping and logical association, would instantly obviate the practice being discussed.
Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by bonaldi on Sunday July 10, 2011 @12:25PM (#2748006)
Whenever I see a thought like that my first thought is that English is a human language, for the transmission of meaning.

Rendering it devoid of all ambiguity and shade in such a fashion would make it easier for computers to parse, but the expense would be losing most poetry and literature.

Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by JeremyBanks on Sunday July 10, 2011 @12:42PM (#2748033)
There's a large gap between removing all ambiguity and adding an explicit grouping syntax. Nevermind computers, plenty of English is far more difficult than it should be for humans to parse.
Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by mvzink on Sunday July 10, 2011 @02:27PM (#2748280)
It would take much more than parentheses to render English "devoid of all ambiguity and shade". Even then, any such stylistic changes couldn't be mandatory (that's not how languages work). You already have the choice of fully explicating a thought using multiple simple, unambiguous clauses which are clearly separated. Authors may neglect this liberty for the sake of art; just as many would like to have that unambiguity, but neglect it because it is meticulous. And now you are going to argue against making parentheses more generally acceptable-- which would in most cases be little more than a stylistic change, favoring a grammatical construct which already exists in the language.

Furthermore, look to the Lojban community for examples of poetry and literature in a truly unambiguous language (a far cry from the English suggested by saulrh).

Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by redxaxder on Sunday July 10, 2011 @03:42PM (#2748436)
((Buffalo buffalo) (Buffalo buffalo) buffalo) buffalo (Buffalo buffalo).
Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by trevelyan on Monday July 11, 2011 @03:05AM (#2749770)
The problem isn't a lack of specificity in English punctuation. I suspect it's more that few students get their writing corrected on this level. One unambiguous solution is proper use of the colon and semi-colon.

She invited several people: her father, a tuba player; her uncle, who played the guitar; and her boyfriend, a drifting wastrel of a youth generally despised by the rest of the family.

Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by alan-crowe on Sunday July 10, 2011 @11:15AM (#2747887)
Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by tomjen3 on Sunday July 10, 2011 @05:02PM (#2748623)
Sometimes I really wonder if they don't have something more important to discuss than this.

Then I remember that no, somebody properly has their ego invested in the "one correct way to put commas in a list".

Then I piss of that person by using semicolons.

Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by jberryman on Sunday July 10, 2011 @02:34PM (#2748295)
Ahem, if Hacker News will allow it, I present for your consideration...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_i1xk07o4g

Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by goblin89 on Sunday July 10, 2011 @11:05PM (#2749303)
> Now insert the Oxford comma: She invited her father, a tuba player, and several ballerinas. Suddenly the father has become a tuba player.

Following this logic, without the comma the father becomes both a tuba player and several ballerinas at once...

Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by bartmcpherson on Sunday July 10, 2011 @10:01AM (#2747779)
So many little thing in life cause so much unnecessary stress. Oxford comma, one or two spaces after a period, and three or four space indentation in code.
Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by cperciva on Sunday July 10, 2011 @01:12PM (#2748086)
8-column tab!

Seriously, if you find that 8-column tabs make you run out of horizontal space, your code needs to be refactored anyway.

Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by jamesbritt on Sunday July 10, 2011 @05:14PM (#2748650)
It's not the lack of space, but the eye-scanning distance, that's annoying.
Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by epochwolf on Sunday July 10, 2011 @01:00PM (#2748061)
The convention for ruby is 2 spaces.
Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by tomjen3 on Sunday July 10, 2011 @04:59PM (#2748614)
The same was the case for lisp.

But you can actually make do with just one space.

Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by RexRollman on Sunday July 10, 2011 @07:00PM (#2748821)
I have to admit to preferring the oxford comma. I just think it looks better.
Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by rradu on Sunday July 10, 2011 @09:20PM (#2749112)
I'm a big fan of clarity and non-ambiguous statements. If using a serial comma is what it takes to maintain that clarity, then so it shall be.
Re:The case for and against the Oxford comma by malkia on Sunday July 10, 2011 @03:57PM (#2748465)
That's terrible. First it was the News of The World, and now the Oxford comma? What's next? We are doomed!