Re:IRS records reveal how the wealthiest avoid income tax
by koheripbal on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @09:31AM
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Bankers aren't stupid. At some point, they'll stop lending you money and will just seize your collateral.
Re:IRS records reveal how the wealthiest avoid income tax
by drdec on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @10:37AM
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You have $100M of stock in Berkshire Hathaway. You use use that as collateral to borrow $11M. You use $1M of the loan to pay expenses (including the interest on the loan). You invest the other $10M in Amazon.
A year later you have $11M in Amazon stock and $110M in Berkshire Hathaway. You borrow against the Amazon stock and use that to pay off the first loan. Lather, rinse, repeat.
The bankers are always happy. Why would they ever foreclose on you?
Re:IRS records reveal how the wealthiest avoid income tax
by dnissley on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:08PM
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Because stocks don't always go up
Re:IRS records reveal how the wealthiest avoid income tax
by 34679 on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:39PM
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When they go down to any significant degree, Congress steps in and socializes the losses.
Re:IRS records reveal how the wealthiest avoid income tax
by koheripbal on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @12:58PM
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Individual stocks never go down?
Is this a serious comment?
Re:IRS records reveal how the wealthiest avoid income tax
by imhoguy on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @09:58AM
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You are right, they aren't. You need to grow wealth and hang out with bankers at company expense ;)
No more growth and no more yaht trips then it is time for dividends or shares sell off to pay loans.
Re:IRS records reveal how the wealthiest avoid income tax
by toast0 on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @11:23AM
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Only if the value of the assets goes down signficantly. Your loan based on Enron stock needs to be paid back (or recollaterialized), but one based on a stock that's been doing well or on a reasonably diversified portfolio can probably avoid repayment until you sell or die. From what I've seen, asset backed loans will have a % limit of value for initiating a loan and a higher % limit to keep the loan, but both limits are often much lower than a brokerage margin loan.
Re:IRS records reveal how the wealthiest avoid income tax
by jdmichal on Tuesday June 08, 2021 @04:22PM
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Of course they aren't, which is why they're perfectly happy to continue refinancing. They make money on the interest, not the principle. And each refinance increases the bank's total collected interest. As long as they eventually get the principle back, a bank is perfectly happy with this arrangement.
You refinance constantly.