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Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by ArkanExplorer on Sunday June 06, 2021 @06:24AM (#27412083)
If you can piggyback on desalinization of water, some of this process becomes 'free'.

I wonder if we are wasting valuable brine as part of our established desalinization processes?

Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by andi999 on Monday June 07, 2021 @02:50AM (#27419774)
Interesting point. Lets do the numbers. Supposedly desalination is 86.55 million m3/day (https://iwa-network.org/desalination-past-present-future/). 1m^3 is 10^3 kg. So 8610^9 kg desalinated water, I dont know the conversion rate, but lets say rougly 110^11kg water from sea pumped. Divided by 5e6 we have 2*10^4 kg/ day. 20 tons of lithum per day. Sounds a lot. That's roughly 8000 tons of lithium per year. Worldproduction is 80000 tons per year. https://www.statista.com/statistics/606684/world-production-... So while not insignificant it doesnt seem a game-changer. (I might have miscalculated a factor of 10 somewhere, probably..)
Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by ncmncm on Sunday June 06, 2021 @06:50AM (#27412197)
They include selling the H and Cl gases also produced to bring the net cost down to $5.
Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by devoutsalsa on Sunday June 06, 2021 @07:29AM (#27412378)
It’d be cool if they could combine this with extraction of Uranium 235 for a more sustainable source of nuclear fuel.

EDIT: For more context, nuclear power could be a great tool in reducing carbon emissions. I read somewhere that mining Uranium 235 from seawater at scale would cost roughy 2x to 3x what it costs to get the fuel from the ground at today's prices. I was trying to say that if we're going through all of the trouble to extract Lithium from seawater, it'd be cool if extracting Uranium at the same time made both processes more economical.

Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by failwhaleshark on Sunday June 06, 2021 @07:30AM (#27412382)
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Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by _Microft on Sunday June 06, 2021 @07:34AM (#27412400)
Seawater contains uranium among other things:

"Seawater contains about 3.3 parts per billion of uranium by weight, approximately (3.3 µg/kg) or, 3.3 micrograms per liter of seawater.[6] The extraction of uranium from seawater has been considered as a means of obtaining the element.", from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_in_the_environment#Nat...

(Mining uranium is as environmentally unfriendly as other mining operations, just do a web search for "uranium mining".)

Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by gus_massa on Sunday June 06, 2021 @09:08AM (#27412899)
The trick here is to use a ceramic filter that have holes that are so small that only Lithium can pass through.

Actually the only "molecules" smaller than Lithium are Hydrogen and Helium. Helium is not a problem because it's too easy to pull apart and Hydrogen (H+ and H2) are not problem because H2 is another of the products.

(Actually^2 H+ is not isolated, it's combined with water in H3O+, but I guess the holes need some room for the water around the Li+ ions. The technical details are probably more complicated, but "small holes only allow H, He and Li to pass" is a good approximation.)

But Uranium atoms are huge. They are bigger than most atoms, and I'm not sure if the common form in seawater is a combination of Uranium and Oxygen. A hole that big will allow most mineral to pass, so you will just get brine. Using it in the other direction with holes just smaller than Uranium is also not very useful, because you will get Uranium mixed with a lot of crap, many of the contamination are not isolated atoms (that are mostly smaller) but molecules that combine a few atoms are are bigger.

Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by B1FF_PSUVM on Sunday June 06, 2021 @10:20AM (#27413346)
> But Uranium atoms are huge.

And heavy. Some gravitational fractionation should do it.

Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by ncmncm on Sunday June 06, 2021 @02:04PM (#27414949)
Centrifuges, even, typically.
Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by failwhaleshark on Sunday June 06, 2021 @10:53AM (#27413599)
Of course, there's precious metals and rare-earth elements in there too, but are they economically-viable to process?

Yes, I know all about the externalities of uranium mining as a portion of my extended family who lived in a particular house around the Four Corners/Durango area all died within a matter of years from horrible cancers due to contaminated drinking water.

https://www.ewg.org/research/170-million-us-drink-radioactiv...

Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by 542458 on Sunday June 06, 2021 @07:50AM (#27412482)
The electricity cost is ~$5, the sale of H and Cl2 is separate from that. Pages 3-5 of the paper.
Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by redsummer on Sunday June 06, 2021 @06:48AM (#27412193)
Isn’t Lithium an anti-depressant? If it’s extracted from drinking water, won’t you end up with miserable people?
Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by swader999 on Sunday June 06, 2021 @07:20AM (#27412333)
Just pirates and fisherman would be affected but they are salty to begin with.
Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by failwhaleshark on Sunday June 06, 2021 @07:28AM (#27412377)
No we're not, you bloody idiot!

Returns to mending nets and counting seagulls.

Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by beowulfey on Sunday June 06, 2021 @07:11AM (#27412297)
OP you replied to was saying the remnant waste brine from desalination may contain valuable lithium.
Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by matheusmoreira on Sunday June 06, 2021 @09:51AM (#27413139)
No, lithium is a mood stabilizer. It is mainly used to treat manic episodes in bipolar disorders and is not a particularly effective treatment for major depression.

I doubt drinking water contains anything close to therapeutic doses of lithium.

Re:Scientists develop ‘cheap and easy’ method to extract lit... by muyuu on Sunday June 06, 2021 @06:25AM (#27412093)
whoa I was making the exact same point simultaneously in a sibling comment