Re:“Tank Man”
by bmitc on Friday June 04, 2021 @03:44PM
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This is probably related to Bing not showing results because, as far as I know, DuckDuckGo uses Bing as its underlying search engine. I’ve always chuckled at this from the Apple and Linux users railing against Microsoft but then they use DuckDuckGo.
Interestingly, Bing shows plenty of relevant search results for their web results, including images, but doesn’t show results for an image search.
Although nowadays the bar to be shocked is quite high ..here are some remarkable examples:
European Union :
"The organisation agreed to censor references to the Chinese origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, with research suggesting that self-censorship on sensitive topics that may offend the PRC is commonplace."
NASA:
"The American space agency faced criticism in China for listing "Taiwan" as a country in a drop-down menu on a website about Mars."
World Health Organization:
"Senior advisor Bruce Aylward faced criticism for saying he could not hear a question from RTHK journalist Yvonne Tong about whether Taiwan could join the WHO, asking her to move onto the next question then terminating the interview when she repeated it"
Re:“Tank Man”
by bmitc on Friday June 04, 2021 @05:01PM
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Who knows. There’s another post/thread on that I believe. My assumption or guess is that Bing operates in China and whatever filter they use there made it to the outside system by accident. But then again, it's still like that now, which is surprising.
Re:“Tank Man”
by Jiocus on Friday June 04, 2021 @04:09PM
(#27398539)
Yes, it is relevant, but I was replying to a statement which wasn't accurate.
We can have different opinions of what “results” mean, but the linked DDG FAQ piece is on their view of Results Sources and what that is.
Their results for “Tank Man” (and others) though, has the same shortcomings as Bing proper – so their reliance on Bing is absolutely a limiting factor for all to see.
Re:“Tank Man”
by Panino on Friday June 04, 2021 @03:44PM
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I've been using DDG as the default search for years and this is the first time I've been disappointed in them. DDG: don't let disappointment gain momentum because it's hard to stop.
Re:“Tank Man”
by npteljes on Saturday June 05, 2021 @04:35AM
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This must be a locality thing because if I follow the link, I get the original tank man images, and also images that complain about MS censoring the tank man images. This is with safe search: Moderate setting too.
I've noticed this recently around several topics. Including, but not limited to, virus reporting. Particularly, related to Fauci's FOIA requested emails.
They didn't appear to be doing this even 3-4 months ago. Although, I'm not sure how it is related to "tank man".
Yes. As a consequence of relying on Bing, DDG is also assisting in the censorship. It makes them part of it. They are not required to use Bing, they choose to.
It puts more emphasis on DDG's need - if their morality play is to continue to be believed - to build their own full-fledged search engine and stop relying so much on Bing & Co.'s results.
Re:“Tank Man”
by belltaco on Friday June 04, 2021 @04:53PM
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>It puts more emphasis on DDG's need - if their morality play is to continue to be believed - to build their own full-fledged search engine and stop relying so much on Bing & Co.'s results.
Umm yes, they should just find a few billion dollars in their couch cushions to fund just the infrastructure for that.
Since your other comment here [1] got flagged and dead I can't reply to it, so I am replying here. I just wanted to say thanks for sharing here on Hacker News - glad that there are those here who stand up for the truth - very much ironic (in an Alanis way) that it would be on this very thread.
Re:“Tank Man”
by wcarss on Friday June 04, 2021 @03:50PM
(#27398314)
lots of image results that include "tank man", many of the photo, turn up for "tank ma", "tankman", etc. Shows clearly that it is not a lack of indexed content, but a search filter.
Interestingly, Bing shows plenty of relevant search results for their web results, including images, but doesn’t show results for an image search.
This is scary because censorship is reaching to all over the world.
Although nowadays the bar to be shocked is quite high ..here are some remarkable examples:
European Union : "The organisation agreed to censor references to the Chinese origins of the COVID-19 pandemic, with research suggesting that self-censorship on sensitive topics that may offend the PRC is commonplace."
NASA: "The American space agency faced criticism in China for listing "Taiwan" as a country in a drop-down menu on a website about Mars."
World Health Organization: "Senior advisor Bruce Aylward faced criticism for saying he could not hear a question from RTHK journalist Yvonne Tong about whether Taiwan could join the WHO, asking her to move onto the next question then terminating the interview when she repeated it"
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27395635
[1]: https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/so...
We can have different opinions of what “results” mean, but the linked DDG FAQ piece is on their view of Results Sources and what that is.
Their results for “Tank Man” (and others) though, has the same shortcomings as Bing proper – so their reliance on Bing is absolutely a limiting factor for all to see.
Never having looked into it, I always wondered how DDG could financially support indexing the web and running a search engine. Now it makes sense.
Broad internet search is probably outside the ability of anything other than Fortune 100 companies today.
But the image search is concerning.
They didn't appear to be doing this even 3-4 months ago. Although, I'm not sure how it is related to "tank man".
It puts more emphasis on DDG's need - if their morality play is to continue to be believed - to build their own full-fledged search engine and stop relying so much on Bing & Co.'s results.
Umm yes, they should just find a few billion dollars in their couch cushions to fund just the infrastructure for that.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27397967