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Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by 1helloworld1 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:17AM (#27381714)
The Federalist Society ideals involve "checking federal power, protecting individual liberty and interpreting the Constitution according to its original meaning". If they truly cared about protecting individual liberty, they wouldn't have complained about one person's satire. They making a big fuss about it is quite antithetical to their organization's ideals.
Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by throwaway5752 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:44AM (#27382145)
They are a Republican political organization and have been for decades. They provide a bench of bodies for appointments to forward Republican political policies on the judicial side. Their ideals are a worthless slogan, they operate on realpolitik. They get wealth and power for delivering tax cuts for people like the Scaifes and Mercers.

This entire episode is completely on-brand.

Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by an_opabinia on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:24AM (#27382728)
You could call the Federalist Society's activities affirmative action for Republicans.
Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by BitwiseFool on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:23AM (#27381794)
Perhaps, but I'm looking at this with a Machiavellian/Realpolitik lens. If you go after people who criticize you, even if those people are perfectly allowed to do so, you create a chilling effect and you signal that your organization has power and needs to be treated with care.

Sure, it's perfectly legal to exercise your free speech rights, but dragging someone through the mud dissuades many people from making criticisms.

Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by Jcowell on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:45AM (#27383094)
This seems like a good method if you actually had the power to fully follow through and incredibly naive If it fails: it’s like if a king were to go against the church without even having the people or nobles on their side.
Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by BitwiseFool on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:16PM (#27383562)
I feel like an organization of lawyers can easily pony-up the resources for lawsuits designed to intimidate critics.
Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by spoonjim on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:56AM (#27382308)
You are quite wrong, the Federalist Society ideals involve pushing Republican tax cuts through the cap-and-gown sector of American society.
Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by gotoeleven on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:36AM (#27382022)
What if I made a flyer that promoted a "Black lives matter mostly peaceful arson and riot" ? Somehow I don't think Stanford would be saying "chill out it's just satire."
Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by GPerson on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:10AM (#27382494)
I’m interested in a neutral explanation of why this post is widely downvoted.

What is the significant difference between a satirical flyer titled “Black Lives Matter — Mostly Peaceful Arson and Riot” and a satirical flyer titled “The Originalist Case for Inciting Insurrection”? I’ll grant the second is more original, and perhaps wittier in the context of a mostly progressive law school audience. But both of these are intended to mock one side and entertain the other. Both of these are crass, and both implicitly defame.

However only one of these would be met with a school-wide email from the university president apologizing for the offense and reaffirming commitments to support and promote diversity. I think this is what the original poster is asserting.

Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by elliekelly on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:55AM (#27383249)
I downvoted because the comment feigns victimhood and differential treatment where there is none. Stanford didn’t say “chill out it’s just satire” in this case. It wasn’t until a non-profit advocacy group and the media got involved that Stanford Law suddenly “decided” it was just satire and dropped the proceedings against the student. I have no reason to expect things would have played out any differently for the hypothetical flyer either.
Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by GPerson on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:30PM (#27383748)
This is a fair point and changes my mind.
Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by gotoeleven on Thursday June 03, 2021 @02:53PM (#27385731)
You really have no reason to expect things would have played out differently for a flyer poking fun at BLM? The only reason BLM exists at all is because it is that even completely fact based critiques of its core premise, that black people are being victimized disproportionately by police, are shouted down with religious fervor--to say nothing about the entirely foreseeable, disastrous consequences of its proposals.

I doubt anyone will read these articles because they are afraid of being called racist but for example here:

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

and then there was a very small "correction" which changes nothing:

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/16/9127

and then note the weasily "retraction" that don't really retract anything that happened right when BLM was taking off.

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/30/18130

If you dont think BLM receives special treatment please contact me because I have a bridge in new york to sell you.

Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by TMWNN on Thursday June 03, 2021 @07:38PM (#27388807)
>and then note the weasily "retraction" that don't really retract anything that happened right when BLM was taking off.

>https://www.pnas.org/content/117/30/18130

Holy cow. One can almost see the gun pointed off-camera at the hostage assuring viewers that he is being well treated!

Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by pmiller2 on Thursday June 03, 2021 @05:20PM (#27387489)
The people named in one of your examples didn't actually encourage, incite, or support violence; people in the other example did.
Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by artichokes on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:49AM (#27383155)
One of those sides has power and the other does not.
Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by GPerson on Thursday June 03, 2021 @12:27PM (#27383706)
Power in what context? Both sides seem to have power.

I think it’s fair to assume that there is a political bias in university administrations. Here’s an opinion piece where the author states that in their survey of political leanings in university administration the bias is significant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/opinion/liberal-college-a...

I could not find any documentation or review of this survey. It does agree with my own observation however.

Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by mcphage on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:21AM (#27382656)
If you posted a flyer calling for arson and riot, even satirically, it probably wouldn't have gone over well. This was a flyer advertising a talk.

> But both of these are intended to mock one side and entertain the other. Both of these are crass, and both implicitly defame.

So what? That's not illegal. You're allowed to criticize others—that's a key purpose of the First Amendment.

Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by GPerson on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:27AM (#27382774)
Hello,

Respectfully, I believe you’ve missed the point of my post, which is not to assert the validity or invalidity of either perspective (I agree both should be protected by the first amendment), but to question why the audience of this website downvoted the original post so readily, and to boost the opinion that there is a political bias in university administrations.

Additionally, the flyer about Black Lives Matter could equally well be a talk.

Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by GPerson on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:40AM (#27383002)
Ah there’s a simple explanation. When I read the original post I missed the word “a”, which changes the meaning. When I read the post it sounded like a talk criticizing previous protests as riots, not an advertisement for a future protest.

However I still assert that the talk titled as it is in my post would not be met well.

Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by krapp on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:38AM (#27382955)
>Additionally, the flyer about Black Lives Matter could equally well be a talk.

And if it were, it might hypothetically have been tolerated.

However, "Black lives matter mostly peaceful arson and riot" doesn't describe a talk, it describes an arson and riot. Claims that Stanford reacting differently to the two would merely be due to political bias is disingenuous projection.

Maybe GP intended to describe a satirical talk exactly like the one in the OP, but they didn't, and their language entirely undercut the premise of their attempted argument.

Re:Stanford law student who made fun of the federalist able ... by krapp on Thursday June 03, 2021 @11:01AM (#27382373)
For one thing, the flyer in the OP is satirically promoting a debate, not an actual insurrection.