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Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by tobijkl on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:46AM (#27352687)
The documentation is excellent, and the Programmable I/O (PIO) is a unique feature. Still, the lack of WiFi and Bluetooth makes the RP2040 uninteresting for me compared to the ESP32 in a DIY project. With the ESP32, I can quickly throw in a web interface and use Over-The-Air updates. I think they missed the opportunity to position them against the ESP32.
Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by martyvis on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:50AM (#27352723)
Totally agree. Their release seems to make it seem that dual core with multiple hundred K of RAM is unique. The elephant in the room is while it has nice GPIO interfaces for sensors, you want onboard wireless for backhaul. Espressif have had this space for a couple of years now.
Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by kortex on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:31AM (#27352986)
I can think of many application with no need for wireless backhaul, or where wireless becomes a liability. It boils down to cost, power, noise, security, frequency used, and complexity. LoRa or similar is probably better than Wifi for many applications. I like that it isn't opinionated about the wireless stack.

I'm guessing that lots of Picos will see use as enhanced GPIOs for Pi "motherships," which provide backhaul to multiple wired-in Picos.

In fact I have a project which could use a decidedly non-wireless USB GPIO, for use on an airplane imaging system.

Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by antattack on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:21AM (#27354905)
What you say is true, however, $1 is a killer feature.

It can replace many IC and will make a very good addition to ESP32 which lacks pins for many projects. And, sometimes you want external chip so output is not affected by ESP32 reboots or freezes.

Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by 6f8986c3 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @06:59AM (#27352779)
For secure applications, on-board wireless makes your life hell. I'm actually pretty happy they didn't.
Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by nousermane on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:28AM (#27352956)
Depending on application and how you define "secure", you might find that having an easily sniffable SPI/SDIO/UART connection between main MCU and wifi chip can be a weakness.
Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by 6f8986c3 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @08:37AM (#27353527)
I believe the point is "no wifi whatsoever".

If you need wifi, by all means, go integrated. But not everybody does.

Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by mschuster91 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @08:22AM (#27353403)
The problem with onboard wireless is that this adds a boatload of complexity regarding certification in various regulatory domains, trademark compliance, ...
Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by nousermane on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @09:28AM (#27354073)
...not to mention massive code size increase, for wifi/bt driver. And that driver is likely to come as an inscrutable binary blob.
Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by dimatura on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @09:14AM (#27353896)
If you do want bluetooth/WiFI, agreed, it's annoying to not have it, true. I rarely need either capability, so I don't mind too much. (And it's remarkable that ESP32's are so cheap that I find myself using them even if I don't use those features).

On the other hand I often find myself missing USB-related features on the ESP32, such as being able to act as HID device or even a USB host. The ESP32-S2 fixes that, although software support for that is still relatively immature.

Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by selykg on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:27AM (#27354999)
There are some other solutions based on the RP2040 that will include wifi and bluetooth. So you'll just have to pickup one of those if you want them. I suspect they will be more expensive but probably not prohibitively so.

For instance: https://launch.arduino.cc/nano-rp2040

Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by cjdaly on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @10:24PM (#27364075)
yes! I found these on sale at digikey. Search for "arduino nano rp2040". They cost about $28.
Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by guenthert on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @01:52PM (#27358560)
The PIO is a very neat feature, allowing (limited) hard real time programming (even when using MicroPython) and while perhaps uncommon, it's not exactly unique: TI Sitara MCU (as used e,g, in Beagle Bone Black etc.) offers more capable Programmable Realtime Units (limited functionality co-processors). The Raspberry Pico board is however much cheaper (not sure about the price of the MCUs).
Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by taf2 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @08:37AM (#27353523)
I agree what would have been really interesting for me is if the pico board had had wifi and support for pi camera… then you’d have a board to compete nicely with the Esp32 cam
Re:Raspberry Silicon update: RP2040 on sale now at $1 by numpad0 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @07:56AM (#27353196)
Pair it with ESP32-SOLO or nRF5. That’s what ESP8266 was originally meant for, a wireless modem chip. Remember back when ESP-01 came with AT command firmware?