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Re:“Computer science is not about computers” by Apocryphon on Sunday May 30, 2021 @12:15AM (#27330541)
"Computer science was a fraud. It always had been. It was the only branch of science ever named after a gadget. He and his colleagues were basically no better than gizmo freaks. Now physics, that was true science. Nobody ever called physics “lever science” or “billiard ball science.“

The fatal error in computer science was that it modeled complex systems without truly understanding them. Computers simulated complexity. You might know more or less what was likely to happen. But the causes remained unclear."

- Bruce Sterling, Zenith Angle

Re:“Computer science is not about computers” by kaba0 on Sunday May 30, 2021 @04:36AM (#27331643)
> The fatal error in computer science was that it modeled complex systems without truly understanding them. Computers simulated complexity

I think this part is backwards, and I would even say that CS is about complexity itself. In some ways it is even meta-mathematical even though it is a subset of mathematics.

There is an interesting paper measuring the complexity of different things in terms of a minimal Turing machine (sorry, I’m not sure about the details but will try to find it) and it gave a relatively small number for the complexity of the base axiom set of modern maths (few kb, or maybe MB?) It really put it in perspective for me what is mathematically provable and all the rest of things that we don’t even have the tools to reason about, at most we can compute it.

Re:“Computer science is not about computers” by sum1datduznot on Sunday May 30, 2021 @12:19AM (#27330558)
Re:“Computer science is not about computers” by Apocryphon on Sunday May 30, 2021 @12:22AM (#27330567)
Naming it after a profession doesn't mitigate the critique from Sterling's quote. Mathematics isn't named calculator science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EA-eVWEIKY

Re:“Computer science is not about computers” by sum1datduznot on Sunday May 30, 2021 @12:33AM (#27330624)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actuarial_science

Also, people arguably use the scientific method when programming. I think that Sedgewick illustrates this point well in Algorithms: https://algs4.cs.princeton.edu/14analysis/

Re:“Computer science is not about computers” by huachimingo on Sunday May 30, 2021 @01:08AM (#27330768)
Interesting enough, being a Math theacher doesnt imply being a good calculator.

I saw this happen with my Math Teacher Hero and with common teachers.

Re:“Computer science is not about computers” by ant6n on Sunday May 30, 2021 @05:11AM (#27331786)
Computer science is the study of computing things. In fact, virtually all of math used to be about the study of computing things, until about 200-300 years ago, when the study of mathematical structure branched of the science of computing things.

Computer science has existed for thousands of years, the naming has just been a bit off.