Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety features

Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by PragmaticPulp on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:00PM (#27306769)

NHTSA tested Tesla cars that had radar modules. Tesla has decided to remove the radar modules and use only vision systems. The new vision-only models are not NHTSA certified yet, so the NHTSA had to clarify that the safety certification only applies to vehicles shipped before the vision-only transition. That is, any vehicle with radar is still certified, but the new vehicles will apparently ship untested.

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by nradov on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:09PM (#27306862)

And it is possible to meet NHTSA certification requirements for recommended safety technology with vision-only systems. Subaru has done that for years.

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by harles on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:18PM (#27306981)

Doesn’t Subaru use stereo vision though? Having depth cues and not having them seems like a pretty big distinction, and Tesla just removed their only source of depth.

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by bradfitz on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:24PM (#27307050)

Tesla has multiple cameras on the front.

See: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36542541/tesla-model-3-mo...

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by harles on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:30PM (#27307130)

Multiple cameras don’t equate to stereo though. As I understand it, the Tesla cameras have too little overlap and the distortion is too great to do proper stereo - it’s 100% monocular depth estimation.

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by snypher on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:44PM (#27307323)

They don't seem very far apart in the Tesla..

https://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2017/07/Tesla-Mode...

The Subaru cameras are either side of the mirror, probably much more effective for stereo vision.

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by mtnpuma on Friday May 28, 2021 @02:07AM (#27312226)

Subaru Eyesight cameras look different though, they’re further apart. See https://images.app.goo.gl/vAJJ7JuV1cmTaymA8

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by Forbo on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:19PM (#27306992)

They won't know that it meets the requirements until it has been tested, so putting this clarification out in the meantime covers the gap until vision-only testing has completed.

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by Alex3917 on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:35PM (#27307187)

Teslas are basically just overpriced knockoff Subarus that don't actually work properly. The independent testing data has shown this for years, e.g.: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a24511826/safety-featu...

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by moralestapia on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:29PM (#27307117)

This is it, period. You make a new vehicle, you have to go through the certification again, common sense tbh.

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by headmelted on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:07PM (#27306837)

It sounds from reading the article like existing cars with the radar are also losing the features though, to be replaced by camera-based solutions? (I assume to keep consistent with newer models on the road without the radar).

I may be reading it wrong - happy to be corrected.

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by BoorishBears on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:13PM (#27306921)

The story I read on this was new cars losing features until their vision-only equivalents show up

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by wedn3sday on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:06PM (#27306826)

Thank for the clarification, this makes perfect sense.

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by treeman79 on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:16PM (#27306947)

I’m usually one to not like over regulation.

Radar / no radar is a pretty drastic change though.

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Re:Tesla loses U.S. designation for some advanced safety fea... by t0mas88 on Thursday May 27, 2021 @03:20PM (#27307000)

I wouldn't even consider this regulation. This is organisation A asking org B to review their product and put a sticker on it that it passed the tests. Then org A decides to make a different product, so org B clarifies that the new product is not the one they tested and certified.

This would still go the same way if org B wasn't a government org.

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