Oh. Interesting too. I read that Lee was involved in Handshake but handshake looks so silly to me that I didn't even envisage this.

I've also raised the IRCd thing in another sub-thread, and I think that freenode adopting/developing a new IRCd (and publicly) could impair Lee's idea of merging Irc.com/Snoonet/Freenode onto ToC, since ToC seems to be running Unreal.

The usage of that term is correct. It's interchangeable with "giveaway".

I daresay your patronizing tone is hardly helping your case.

Please stop writing things like this. The guidelines ask you not to. I don't know anything about you except that you're an advocate for Handshake; you're promoting a DNSSEC-related cryptocurrency that attempts to replace the DNS roots, so of course you and I are going to intersect on HN.

Or, in the words of Marsellus Wallace: there is no "me and you".

A personal message that can be read and responded to by everybody.

If you want to send tptacek a personal message, their email is plainly listed in their profile. You don't need to air out your beef in the public, and all it does is lower your credibility to do so.

In any of your travels have you ever heard of email?? Thomas' email address is clearly listed in his profile. Airing this beef like this has killed any credibility you have. Be better?

As the CEO do you happen to know where I can send a GDPR request? I tried [email protected] which was mentioned on the website but it is not working.

Address not found Your message wasn't delivered to [email protected] because the address couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail.

Sounds like the server sponsor for the server which the mail server was running on pulled their server.

You mention you've donated millions. Presumably this is distributed across multiple projects. How much has freenode received from you?

Freenode > 1m

How was this money directed towards freenode? Certainly the accounts published by freenode ltd do not mention anywhere near this sum (though it is currently behind on publishing accounts).

freenode didn't use 1m in the whole 20 years it existed.

Infrastructure: all sponsored Staffers: all volunteers Development: all FOSS Third party services like GitHub: all sponsored

so what exactly would it have used > 1m on, please?

This is not true. As a single example, conferences cost money to throw - significant money. We did two.

The FOSS community loves these events to be clear.

Most people on freenode don't give a shit about these conferences. To me it seems like someone wanted to try to help freenode do something cool and used that as a way to cheat everybody and steal the network. Not cool.

The freenode live conference was another thing not supposed to be "part" of the network. Freenode Ltd was created for the conference purpose, not the network (according to what christel said at the time).

Yes and no? As I understand it, they weren't supposed to be involved in the day to day operation of the network in general, but back in 2016 Private Internet Access' logo (then Andrew Lee's current company) was added to the corner of the main Freenode website and as I recall it was widely discussed at the time that this was part of the deal which funded Freenode Live. Most people didn't care and it remained there until 2021. The Shells logo which was supposedly such an outrageous, unprecedented corporate intrusion into areas of the site sponsors never were never allowed before that everyone needed to jump ship was a direct replacement of that PIA logo. Same location, same overall prominence.

While the details are still a bit fuzzy, a far as I can tell from the outside someone on the Freenode staff seems to have used that logo switch as a pretext to try and upset the status quo and seize more power through a bogus narrative about unprecedented corporate intrusion and a logo suddenly appearing in 2021 where one would never be allowed before, likely including kicking out the then head of staff of the actual IRC network, whilst insisting that it was the other side that was trying to seize more control by obstructing them.

> While the details are still a bit fuzzy, a far as I can tell from the outside someone on the Freenode staff seems to have used that logo switch as a pretext to try and upset the status quo and seize more power through a bogus narrative about unprecedented corporate intrusion and a logo suddenly appearing in 2021 where one would never be allowed before, likely including kicking out the then head of staff of the actual IRC network, whilst insisting that it was the other side that was trying to seize more control by obstructing them.

This is one possible interpretation. After reading a lot of these self-testimony documents I think that Freenode staffers really never knew how the organization was legally run. They only understood the internal politics of Freenode. When these two authority complexes clashed, it's predictable how disasterous the outcome would be.

That said, I'm still not buying rasengan claims about money spent. Maybe he thinks this money was spent on bettering Freenode, but unless it's money that's spent literally on keeping Freenode online, then it's hard to claim that and get the audience to agree. I think if rasengan really wants to shepherd some FOSS monolith then he need to start producing transparency documents that show exactly how he's funding things and to which organizations that money goes.

Literally nobody in the FOSS community cares about these events, wakeup.

The attendance was what, like 50 people?

On what ? Servers were given by third parties. Staffers were volunteers. Do you mean that you brought Freenode >1m to christel?

Attacking Freenode sent a chilling effect through many communities that would gladly not deal with your infantile rampage backed by what I'll assume is ill-gotten gains.

Check yourself. You're not in the right, here.