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Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by dannyw on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:11AM (#27208881)
That's how the internet worked for decades.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by admax88q on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @11:21AM (#27209936)
It's not how it works now.

I think many were caught off guard by the legal setup of freenode that allowed it to be sold, including all the staff that resigned and founded Libera Chat.

With that in mind, the lesson to take from that is to make sure the legal structure and ownership of the new service is more clearly documented and understood by everyone.

At the very least the legal name of this new non-profit they have established should be clearly displayed on the web page somewhere.

Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by pmlnr on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:15AM (#27208936)
Yes. Look where it got us: fb, twitter, reddit, etc taking it all over, because people "trust" them - see ominous zuck quote. Why? Because ordinary people need faces and names. So unless libera is aiming for the oldschool nerds, like us, they need to align with 2021.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by teachingassist on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:43AM (#27209335)
You use and buy things from corporations all the time, without knowing a single name or face behind it. 2021 hasn't changed that.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by GavinMcG on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @11:14AM (#27209834)
But those are isolated transactions, and I can return a product to the store.

We're talking about networks and communities here. Those aren't as interchangeable as things we buy.

Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by dannyw on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @11:30AM (#27210075)
They're pretty interchangeable: "/topic We have moved to irc.alternate.server. Join us in #project".
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by munificent on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:32PM (#27211750)
> without knowing a single name or face behind it.

That's because we are ensconced in a framework of corporate and consumer protection laws that makes that generally safe to do and provides legal recourse when it isn't. Even so, fraud and bad experiences with businesses happen all the time.

Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by smhenderson on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:36AM (#27209245)
So unless libera is aiming for the oldschool nerds, like us

Isn't that exactly who they're aiming for though?

Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by remram on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @11:01AM (#27209627)
Freenode operated this way and failed.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by Macha on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:34PM (#27211777)
Failed how?

Was subjected to a corporate takeover? This happened, but it's hard to see the cause and effect, and the proposed solution is basically to do this out the gate.

Didn't become discord? Was that a goal? To be a big VC funded chat service with lots of users and a looming prospect of having to be profitable without losing them.

Wasn't a profitable business? It was always intended as a non-profit, and it's not clear they were running out of money to run the network without sponsorship, but rather used it to set up new events like freenode live.

Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by politician on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:18AM (#27208975)
FB requires true names.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by pmlnr on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:23AM (#27209051)
That's not the point (edit): the only thing I'm missing from libera is an impressum. Mentioning a nameless swedish nonprofit is actually worse in my eyes, than calling it xyz's server in the basement.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by pessimizer on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:53AM (#27209492)
That is the point. People don't use Facebook because they like using real names, people use real names on Facebook because they were forced to in order to stay on Facebook.

When that Zuck quote happened, Facebook didn't require real names.

Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by icedchai on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @12:14PM (#27210650)
It actually doesn't. It requires your name look like a true name. I know plenty of folks with fake last names on Facebook.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by qu4z-2 on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @05:36PM (#27214802)
My understanding is it requires true names and is unevenly enforced.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by icedchai on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @06:47PM (#27215496)
If it's unevenly enforced, then it's not "required" in any practical sense. Nobody I know has ever been kicked off for a fake but reasonable looking name. Facebook is not a government authority. If you ask for a picture of my ID, I can generate a fake one without consequence.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by qu4z-2 on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @05:12PM (#27361363)
It's unevenly enforced, not unenforced. If you're willing to photoshop yourself an ID, then sure, that probably works.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by cblconfederate on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @10:23AM (#27209046)
FBI can fetch the true names thus nicknames became irrelevant
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by FractalHQ on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @11:15AM (#27209851)
Meanwhile Discord is one of the most commonly used platforms for young people, where everyone is an anime girl named after their favorite song. I wouldn’t be so sure about your assumption. Facebook is becoming increasingly known as an uncool boomer thing.
Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by pmlnr on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @11:49AM (#27210301)
OK, it looks like nobody understood my point, fascinating.

Discord is a company. You can look it up, there are contact points - abuse, legal, etc. People who put their community there trust the entity running Discord.

I'd prefer to trust someone I actually know, and with that, I'm fully on board with librachat, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have a real, visible legal entity behind them.

I was never talking about the community on top of a platform, but the platform itself.

Re:Welcome to Libera Chat by cpach on Wednesday May 19, 2021 @01:06PM (#27211438)
I’m not sure I follow. What do you mean by The Internet in this context...? Organizations such as ICANN and IETF are not exactly anonymous.