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Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raspasov on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @11:31AM (#27131478)
A lot of reports on the internet about this.

I updated this morning and continued working on an iOS app. Everything felt slow. I thought I did something stupid in my code. Apparently not. As per this Geekbench 5 test, the phone scores ~1200 where it used to regularly score ~3000+ (!!!).

There's a lot of rumors what's the cause of this but no official explanation from Apple as of right now that I can find.

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raldi on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:09PM (#27131937)
Every time there’s an iOS update, the internet goes crazy about their phone being slow or hot or not holding a charge. Then, a day or two later, the background system processes finish doing their post-upgrade homework and everything goes back to normal.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by albertzeyer on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:15PM (#27132001)
To be fair, iOS maybe should put some visual indicator that it is doing this. Then everything would be obvious.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by lotu on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:37PM (#27132243)
While this might be appreciated by a small number technical people it would just be confusing to the overwhelming majority. The cell, wifi, and battery indicators all provide information the user can affect by moving the device or plugging it in. An indicator would not provide any actionable information to the user. Also progress bars and time estimates for tasks are typically expected but in practice very difficult to make accurate. So you could not even accurately tell the user how long they need to wait for the device to finish it's background work
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by asdff on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:44PM (#27132329)
I don't see why they shouldn't include this when they include the info when it happens for a mac. When you get a new mac or it updates, you can see that spotlight is busy reindexing which explains the slowdown. I'm surprised there is not some one sentance explanation somewhere in the phone, like "processes will continue to update in the background and phone performance may be affected until this finishes" and boom, the OP article would have never been written.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by brundolf on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:30PM (#27132171)
"Background system processes running" wouldn't be obvious to non-technical users. It might even be distressing. If the process isn't something that can easily be explained to a regular user, I can see why Apple wouldn't try and communicate about it.

Though I could see maybe detecting that a user is a developer and showing a message only for those users

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by nepthar on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:31PM (#27132187)
True, but it could be marketed a bit better: "Update finishing in the background"
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by stuaxo on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:44PM (#27132322)
People hate updates, it would make them more aware they are happening.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by nitrogen on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:57PM (#27132477)
People deserve to know what their digital brains are doing on their behalf.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by m45t3r on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:44PM (#27132328)
This is how Android shows it, and I think it is quite good because the phone feels slower while finishing the upgrade.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by Dah00n on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @03:56PM (#27134427)
But unlike this (which is timed in hours) in Android it's done in a minute and then the notification is gone. Maybe Apple should start by doing the update in minutes first.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by m45t3r on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @10:37PM (#27137832)
I find it really bizarre that it takes hours to run whatever background process iOS has after an upgrade, especially because in Android's case this is AFAIK rebuilding the Dalvik bytecode while iOS should use a compiled language (ObjectiveC/Swift).

Does someone knows what is iOS doing at the background?

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raspasov on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:15PM (#27131998)
Well I've been developing iOS apps for a long time, and updated many times. I don't remember anything as dramatic as this!
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raldi on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:23PM (#27132085)
Hmm, if I specifically go looking for reports of benchmarks going down, it does seem to be a much more prevalent story with this version than any previous one.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raspasov on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:35PM (#27132220)
Yes. The slow down was real and very significant and it lasted hours. It was not people freaking out for no reason.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raldi on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:40PM (#27132287)
Reports of post-upgrade slowdown are pretty common (google it for various versions), but this is the first time I’m seeing lots of reports of post-upgrade benchmark hits.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by asdff on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:45PM (#27132347)
Except for when apple started throttling phones with batteries below 85% capacity.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by zepto on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @01:01PM (#27132528)
…to extend the usable life of those batteries.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by Dah00n on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @04:01PM (#27134476)
Yes. So now instead of driving 100 miles with 100 miles pers hour I'm now doing 100 miles with 85 mph.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by zepto on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @04:32PM (#27134806)
Did you know that batteries are made of chemicals and don’t last forever? Over time their performance degrades, but you can use them for longer if you don’t use as much peak power.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by EpicEng on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:33PM (#27132206)
If your update system requires 1-2 days of "post-upgrade homeswork" time and slows your phone by 50% in the process, you've designed a very poor update system.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raldi on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @01:20PM (#27132775)
It's a non-concern for 99% of users. iOS vs Android version piecharts always look like this:

https://www.alistdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/assets/alist-a...

Apple successfully upgrades a huge majority of all their phones in the field, and nearly all of those users are barely even aware of it. They plug their phone in at night, sometimes in the morning there's a message about a new version. Maybe they notice their phone is slow for a day or two, likely they don't. No major incidents involving mass-bricking of phones, no rollbacks, no data loss... arguably the most successful update system in the history of technology.

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by zepto on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:38PM (#27132256)
Why? Seems like this just ignores reality.

It’s just true that data structures change over time, and sometimes new features mean that old data needs to be re-processed.

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by cronix on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @01:06PM (#27132599)
> It’s just true that data structures change over time

Sure, but it seems only 1 of the OS's takes this long to be fully usable post-update. Why is that? Does Android not ever have to change data structures and if so, why doesn't it take their OS 24-48 hours of post-processing to finish the update? You find this acceptable?

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by zepto on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @01:34PM (#27132948)
Android doesn’t have the same feature set. Comparing the two like this is an obvious fallacy. For example, Apple does their ML e.g. for photos on device for privacy reasons, whereas Google does it in the cloud.

I’m not saying ML is the cause although it could be. I’m saying they are different products with different values, so expecting them to behave the same doesn’t make sense.

And yes, some background processing after an update is more than acceptable. It’s desirable if it means sending less data to Google.

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raspasov on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @11:47AM (#27131683)
Aaaand it's fixed... I didn't do anything specific. It took a few hours (?!) after the upgrade. It scored many times low, but now it seems to score at a normal level (3000+).

Really wonder what the explanation for all of that is.

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by toomuchtodo on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @11:51AM (#27131722)
Background process doing some sort of migration or other data conversion between versions? Strange the device wouldn't wait until during the night while plugged in, but without context, that might not be an option.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by bigphishy on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @11:56AM (#27131793)
Kind of sad that we don't have a top or process viewer. Or free -m / open system. This makes me yearn for an open source OS on my phone again, I may have to look into a pine phone.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by saagarjha on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:13PM (#27131984)
If you connect your iPhone to your Mac you can run Instruments on it to figure out what is going on. I used to recently to figure out that Slack had been making my entire phone slow because it was busy looping in the background.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by lifty on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:08PM (#27131921)
I agree, but it shouldn't be a classic process viewer. It should be a task viewer which has some context or understandable description. Like "photo analysis job" or "iOS 14.5.1 data migration job".
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raspasov on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:06PM (#27131896)
Yes... I remember back in the day I had terminal with root access on a jailbroken iPhone. You could install almost any package on your phone via terminal.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by mxcrossb on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:24PM (#27132098)
Stick a fan in it so I can hear if a background process is being run!
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by tgv on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:10PM (#27131951)
Might explain why my battery dropped that much, too.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by pawsforapplase on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:34PM (#27132212)
One of iOS' more annoying quirks is its opacity and lack of user affordances.

The volume buttons don't seem to affect haptic noises, but the mute button does. The OS locks up for about a minute when you change passcodes while it re-crypts everything, but from the user's perspective it just looks frozen. The implications of opting into their 'find my...' and iCloud networks are not adequately explained. The devices take 15-30 seconds to actually cut power after they appear to shut down, and during that time they won't respond to any button presses.

The list goes on, using a modern iPhone feels like you are constantly negotiating with a disingenuous UI. The OS regularly claims to be done with something while it continues working furiously in the background, and it is full of undocumented exceptions to common settings.

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by DeliriumTrigger on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @11:53AM (#27131746)
Indexing or rebuilding I guess.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by kwdc on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:06PM (#27131890)
Yet no notification. The goblins inside the ios doing their thing behind closed doors.

Even a heads-up saying "hey we're doing some work behind the scenes on your device as part of the upgrade" would do.

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by dylan604 on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @01:04PM (#27132580)
Is there mention of this in any of the dialogs that one is asked to click "I have read and understand" that were not actually read? I remember Photos telling me that it was scanning the library to do their new layout after whatever update that was. That was to that specific app, and not a system wide notification, but it also said it would be paused until it was plugged in.

I could see a new something in the Settings that indicates post-OS upgrade showing migration status being useful.

Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by kwdc on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @08:36PM (#27137011)
If there was I didn't see it. But that is no surprise. Its not a way for them to escape a notification either imo. Especially if its slowing everything down.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raspasov on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:08PM (#27131918)
That's potentially a good idea. It could even be hidden in the developer section, since those are the people most likely to notice.
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by yardstick on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @11:59AM (#27131816)
Yeah pretty sure it’s this. Have seen various complaints about both macOS and iOS sluggish performance post upgrade to end up being just temporary while caches / indexes rebuilt, file systems migrated etc
Re:My iPhone 11 Pro is 50% slower after I updated to iOS 14.5.1 by raspasov on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @12:02PM (#27131861)
Likely, yes. The thing is, the phone does not "heat up". Perhaps they throttle the whole phone down globally and let the background update processes run at a slow speed/low priority so they don't heat up the phone too much.