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Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by jedberg on Monday May 10, 2021 @06:37PM (#27111739)
Apple still uses that line to underpay people. Their compensation is famously lower than all the other FAANG companies.
Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by 1cvmask on Monday May 10, 2021 @07:18PM (#27112111)
Apple also famously hires from non-prestigious schools compared to the “elitism” at FB and Google. I have been in meetings at Apple with multiple people and not one of them was from an elite school (remember schools from Iowa and other parochial places). In contrast at FB and Google there were all the elite schools like Caltech, Stanford, MIT amply represented. I am not sure if Apple deliberately targeted such “lesser” schools or was just less elitist in the hiring process and the filters associated with it.

The salary expectations from Auburn (where Tim Cook is from) is a lot less than from say UC Berkeley or Stanford.

Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by mrtksn on Monday May 10, 2021 @07:38PM (#27112310)
I suspect that this is not just about paying a bit less salary. Steve Jobs is known to value liberal arts and non-formal education talents which might have become part of the Apple culture.

After all, being MIT or Stanford means that you passed specific type of filter but that filter might not be the silver bullet and even bring monoculture.

Despite the fact that the elite schools have elite opportunities, more often than not, the most impactful things don't come from elite alumni.

Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by elzbardico on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @02:33PM (#27121727)
Steve Jobs never cared personally much about that, he dropped out from a less know school, worked menial jobs and traveled the world. Wozniak even managed to be expelled from Colorado for hacking the university system. For them, their colleges were not their entire life experience and social life when they founded apple.

It is very different from Brin and Page, that basically catapulted from campus to become billionaires. Their life experience before becoming founders was entirely shaped by Stanford, their identity tied to it. It makes sense that their company reflects this.

Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by TrackerFF on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @04:58AM (#27115839)
A lot of previously elitist companies have discovered that top %1 candidates from most schools are pretty similar. And since hiring is much easier today, they're more open to looking around.
Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by sgerenser on Monday May 10, 2021 @07:05PM (#27111988)
Is that really true? Levels.fyi shows Apple right about inline with GOOG, FB and AMZN and significantly higher than MSFT for mid to senior levels.
Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by jedberg on Monday May 10, 2021 @07:18PM (#27112110)
Everyone I know who moved from another FAANG took a pay cut (and everyone who left Apple to another FAANG got a fat raise). So my data is anecdotal but consistent.

Also MSFT isn't part of FAANG.

Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by mtrpcic on Monday May 10, 2021 @07:30PM (#27112222)
> Until 2017, FANG was limited to Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, and Alphabet. Another variant of this acronym is "FANGAM," which includes Microsoft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Tech#FAANG

I think Microsoft is up there and competitive in the same landscape, and calling out their lack of inclusion in the original acronym is just pedantic. Everything discussed in this thread applies just as much to MSFT as it does to any of the other FAANG companies.

Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by Kranar on Monday May 10, 2021 @09:39PM (#27113153)
Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by oblio on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @12:38PM (#27120245)
Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by johnnyanmac on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @02:41PM (#27133666)
pedantic, tangential rant: I still don't understand why people include Netflix in that calibur. From what I heard and researched, Netflix doesn't hire junior talent and their scope of work is a fraction of Microsoft/Apple/Google. If competitive pay is the only distinction here, I'm sure we can expand that acronym to include a dozen more tech companies
Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by novok on Monday May 10, 2021 @09:21PM (#27113046)
Basically google and FB pay the best, and then msft, amazon and apple are second tier as far as compensation goes.

Twitter, square, uber, netflix, linked-in, pinterest, dropbox, airbnb, etc are all middle-big sized and are fairly variable comp wise.

Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by FartyMcFarter on Tuesday May 11, 2021 @08:03AM (#27117044)
I thought Netflix paid more than Google / FB (from online hearsay).
Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by blaser-waffle on Wednesday May 12, 2021 @11:44AM (#27131632)
My understanding is that the 'Flix pays straight cash -- big ole sacks of money twice a month.

The other orgs pay in things like bonuses or RSUs.

Total comp may be as good or higher, but those aren't locked in a specific rate the way a direct deposit to your bank account is; e.g. you could get less bonus, or the stock price could drop, etc.

Re:Game developers sharing their salaries on Twitter by kenhwang on Monday May 10, 2021 @07:15PM (#27112075)
Supposedly its harder getting equivalent levels at AAPL.