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Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by janeroe on Saturday May 08, 2021 @02:23AM (#27084450)
My favorite part of Mongolian history is when their head refused to mass kill monks... I mean fight with the enemies of the people, so he was invited to Yalta (or some other resort?) and killed. And a new head was appointed instead.

Say what you want, there are countries that achieved way more than USSR, not to mention Mongolia, without mass killings, man made famines, slavery camps, serfs (1960s was the year when Soviet "collective farmers" were salaried for the first time and got a right to get a passport and leave their "farms").

Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by dang on Monday May 10, 2021 @01:44AM (#27103083)
Please don't take HN threads into total flamewar hell. I realize that the USSR remains a difficult and polarizing topic in a lot of ways, but the GP commenter was posting in a human way and you responded with the internet equivalent of guns blazing. That's not cool. We're trying to have curious conversation here, not smite enemies.

I'm sure that you have excellent reasons for feeling the way that you do on this topic. Nevertheless it's not cool, on this site, to rush into ideological or political battle when strong feelings are activated. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

If you or anyone want more explanation, this set of past comments might be helpful for understanding what we're looking for: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by nosianu on Saturday May 08, 2021 @03:19AM (#27084747)
I grew up in East Germany. I was part of the mass events leading to the wall coming down, so you can tell what side I'm on.

Still, I hate it with a passion that anytime someone dares to mention some good points of what happened in the "socialist" Eastern countries, and on a purely human level there is plenty even on the system level, comes up with this whataboutism normally thrown at others.

Yes those systems had to go. But there was plenty of good stuff there, and rebuking anyone who dares mention some is unhelpful. It's such a random uncontrolled reflex.

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Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by simonh on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:05AM (#27085613)
Praise be to Godwin. There's always one, and often several.
Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by cxfame on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:45AM (#27085856)
Godwin's law does not apply to the situation when Stalin is mentioned and someone introduces a Hitler comparison. They were both evil but Stalin had the ideological framework that presented him as good.
Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by f6v on Saturday May 08, 2021 @03:57AM (#27084949)
There’s always this guy on the internet that thinks in absolutes. The world is black and white for him, without any historical context. It’s all about strong words like “man-made famine”, “slavery camps” etc., all feelings and no thinking.
Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by qlzand on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:38AM (#27085805)
Yes, let's adopt a more flexible stance and call it "you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs". /s
Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by geraneum on Saturday May 08, 2021 @05:41AM (#27085479)
> Say what you want, there are countries that achieved way more than USSR, without mass killings, man made famines, ...

Slavery, colonialism, war mongering, etc. not exclusive to USSR. Well they lost the competition and the winning side likes to warp the reality.

I don’t want to take any side. It’s just that I really don’t believe in absolutes.

Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by ta_ca on Saturday May 08, 2021 @07:51AM (#27086295)
> Well they lost the competition and the winning side likes to warp the reality

someone posted this[0] a few days ago.

[0]https://acoup.blog/2019/08/16/collections-this-isnt-sparta-p...

Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by geraneum on Saturday May 08, 2021 @08:46AM (#27086658)
That's an interesting read.
Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by bobthechef on Saturday May 08, 2021 @08:27AM (#27086529)
> I don’t want to take any side. It’s just that I really don’t believe in absolutes.

Do you believe that absolutely?

On a more serious note, how can you lump the Soviets (and socialist regimes like the CCP) with everything else? It's like conversing with someone who, having been told that Bob murdered Alice, responds by saying that everyone makes mistakes and that, on a good day, Bob could be a nice guy. Communist regimes were at a whole different level of evil. The sheer number of people murdered, the social and cultural destruction and dysfunction it wrought, the deeply warped wordlview it imposed through the tyrannical apparatus of the almighty and pervasive state. The list goes on. I guess dissidents were just being ungrateful, eh? They didn't appreciate the good parts!

I will agree that Americans and others should engage in more self-criticism because American culture and its establishment are degenerate and share some eerie similarities with their Soviet counterparts. But this sort of whataboutism doesn't dismiss the glaring truth about the Soviet regime. For someone who says he doesn't believe in "absolutes", you basically demonstrated that you actually do. We're talking about different magnitudes and variety of evil here. People made lasting friendships in concentration camps and gulags, they even found their calling in those awful places[0] in a kind of metaphor for life in general, but no one would say "Eh, you know, it wasn't so bad. There were some good things in those gulags. And after all, American public schools are traumatic and soul-destroying, so..."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Ciszek

Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by anovikov on Saturday May 08, 2021 @04:12AM (#27085014)
Lies. They got passports in 1974 only. https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1147485 (that pertains only to Kolkhoz workers. Sovkhoz workers were free and had passports from the very beginning, but there were many times fewer of them).
Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by simonh on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:03AM (#27085603)
A statement can be inaccurate or incomplete without being a lie.
Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by anovikov on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:17AM (#27085693)
lol it was a joke!

I mean, "good old" Soviet Union was a prison for all of it's population throughout it's existence, but it was also a prison within a prison for 37% of it's population till as late as 1974. Human existence there could hardly be called a modern life at any point of it.

Re:The Sovietisation of the Mongolian language and challenge... by simonh on Saturday May 08, 2021 @06:47AM (#27085869)
My apologies then, of course. I have seen bald accusations much like that here that were clearly serious so I'm somewhat sensitive to it.