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Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by raunak on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:10PM (#27058362)
Similar to bestgore.com - I suppose as the Internet becomes more and more just Google-land, niche websites such as these two will continue to disappear.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by whymauri on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:27PM (#27058479)
Wow, yeah. Reddit killed the forum. Google and silo'd social media (FB, TikTom) are eating everything else.

I just realized that I barely recognize the modern net vs. the one I grew up with.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by breckenedge on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:33PM (#27058512)
You consider Reddit usable? I stopped using Reddit a few years ago, recently came back and tried both the website and (dark-pattern driven) mobile app. It's distinctly worse. Everything seems to have been re-engineered to drive "engagement" and/or mindless consumption.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by omegaham on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:52PM (#27058642)
If they ever kill old.reddit.com, I'm outta there. The redesign was awful.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by bserge on Thursday May 06, 2021 @03:07AM (#27060020)
I've no idea who approved that pos. It actually makes it harder to discuss anything on what's supposed to be online forums. That translates to lost revenue, imo. Even Imgur comments are easier.

My latest gripe is that they're breaking the "back" button for no useful reason.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by Quarrelsome on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:47AM (#27061348)
the less people talk the less annoying manual problems they have to deal with (i.e. moderation). Its cheaper when users just "like".
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by SbEpUBz2 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @12:13AM (#27059113)
Try using one of the few alternative front-ends like Teddit or Libreddit
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by revscat on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:29PM (#27058860)
Apollo.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by saagarjha on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:45PM (#27058943)
Doesn’t really work on desktop.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by cardy31 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @12:53AM (#27059280)
I’ll get crucified for saying this here, but you could run it on an M1 Mac
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by saagarjha on Thursday May 06, 2021 @07:23AM (#27061600)
The experience is quite poor, especially considering that the app does not work well on anything larger than a phone.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by andai on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:41PM (#27058573)
The userbase is also becoming worse, because they're attracting the kind of idiots that respond to design like that.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by techrat on Thursday May 06, 2021 @02:37AM (#27059867)
The rot is also behind the scenes.

The "Anti Evil Ops" team are also full of braindead morons who do not distinguish between context and targeted harassment.

In a private sub (A PRIVATE SUB, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!), I quoted what a cop said to me when I went to report an assault and I got permanently suspended. (Cop said I was "probably being a [bundle of sticks].") The suspension reason? "Hateful speech."

Someone randomly posted a single word post ("N-hard-r!") in response to someone in a public sub. The post was still there one month later despite being reported by multiple people. Based on the user's posting activity, was not suspended for the slur, either.

There are people in trans subs who have been given suspensions for openly talking about the kind of harassment they've received and the things that have been said to them. Some of it instantaneous based on keywords. Some of the people I know who have appealed have had their appeals denied.

But apparently someone using a racial slur in a post all by itself with absolutely zero context for it is somehow acceptable in comparison.

Reddit had gone down some really questionable paths before, arguably tacitly allowing criminal behaviour on the site until it was noticed by the media... and then they draw the line at queer or trans people talking about their own experiences.

At this point I can only say "Everything." if someone were to ask me what is wrong with Reddit... and this is coming from someone who had a 14 year account on that site.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by Quarrelsome on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:49AM (#27061362)
if I can be grandad for a second, I believe the internet got considerably worse when smartphones went mainstream.

This place has been impacted too, maybe I'm misremembering but I swear people never downvoted on here as much as they do today.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by ta_ca on Thursday May 06, 2021 @03:49AM (#27060258)
on reddit you can say something factual yet outside party line and can get downvoted to oblivion or get deleted on some subreddits but your post might survive on some other subreddit.

hn is just a big subreddit with one party line. we get bombarded by party propaganda. almost everything is anti-others. seeing through propaganda, stating the obvious or pointing the elephant in the room is autamatically and conveniently 'whataboutism'. and that is if you are lucky! you probably get deleted or worse shadowbanned. what a disgusting practice. what you are left with is posts written by seemingly brillant bigots and jingoists.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by andai on Thursday May 06, 2021 @05:35AM (#27060921)
I wouldn't go that far, but it's certainly not a free speech platform. That does have its advantages, though. 4chan, for example, takes a toll on my mind -- even when I'm careful about which parts I visit.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by ta_ca on Thursday May 06, 2021 @09:54AM (#27063223)
for this particular thread you are right. i just hope the reason is not the volume of comments.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by synicalx on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:51PM (#27058636)
Use old.reddit.com instead of regular reddit.com, RES works just as well with that and you can get various addons to automatically redirect you to old.reddit.com if you happen to click on a reddit.com link in the wild.

On mobile, avoid the "official" app entirely - it's very pretty but is very very clearly focused on showing you as many ads as possible. Apollo is my pick for iOS and Relay is fairly comparable on Android.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by wingerlang on Thursday May 06, 2021 @03:56AM (#27060309)
> You consider Reddit usable?

Yeah, and so does millions of people. My account is over a decade old and I considered the "new reddit" unusable for all of 3 days, once you get used to how the modals work it's better, IMO. Not to mention the responsive layout which was atrocious on old reddit when I switched.

As for the app maybe the user acquisition techniques are annoying, but well inside the app I really have zero problem with it. And I used to be a diehard Alien Blue user, which is the gold standard.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by MattGaiser on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:36PM (#27058531)
Old.reddit.com does not work for you?
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by aierou on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:53PM (#27058650)
Unfortunately it doesn't filter out the mindless consumption. A curated front page can help, but even that has become less and less effective in my experience.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by Digory on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:46PM (#27058605)
And apollo app on mobile.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by throw_m239339 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:46PM (#27058606)
The only thing Reddit is killing right now is Reddit itself, with their odd UX redesign decisions.

Also, Reddit went from being a place with a lot of room for freedom of speech to a place that disallow a lot of discussions on different opinions and wedge issues. Even Twitter is now more open to diversity of opinions.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by stu2b50 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:10PM (#27058758)
No, the 1-2 punch of Reddit and Discord have all but decimated the old vBulletin forum days. If you have a niche interest, Reddit and Discord are pretty much the only place to find a community for it. It's very dominant in that space now.

I'm pretty much forced to use Reddit or else disconnect from communities I'm interested in.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by LightMachine on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:23PM (#27058833)
How do you find Discord servers for a specific interest?
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by dceddia on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:39PM (#27058916)
I stumbled upon Disboard recently, a site that aggregates/categorizes Discord servers and lets you search them. https://disboard.org/
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by stu2b50 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:30PM (#27058865)
Word of mouth, on Reddit (sidebars or sticky posts), and ocassionally just googling "X Discord". Some very niche things, like character mains in video games, usually will only have a discord to my frustration.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by david_allison on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:28PM (#27058854)
Typically from the subreddit
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by optimalsolver on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:47PM (#27058957)
Something something circle of life.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by throw_m239339 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @12:11AM (#27059107)
> No, the 1-2 punch of Reddit and Discord have all but decimated the old vBulletin forum days. If you have a niche interest, Reddit and Discord are pretty much the only place to find a community for it. It's very dominant in that space now.

You missed the point. Reddit redesign is ensuring everybody flocks back to a more readable form of social media that does not look like reddit redesign.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by daveoc64 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @03:24AM (#27060115)
I was reading yesterday about how "Old Reddit" is often used by a tiny proportion of users (~5%) and the vast majority of users are using a mobile app to access it.

This varies by subreddit, of course, but anything with mainstream appeal is likely to have most users on mobile web or an app.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by weswpg on Thursday May 06, 2021 @03:43PM (#27068198)
I wonder which percentage of the most active users are among those who choose to do that (versus the casual users who only spend less than five minutes on the website).
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by stu2b50 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @10:55AM (#27064158)
I wish - there does not seem to be anything that fulfills Reddit's niche that is taking up significant marketshare.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by s0rce on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:40PM (#27058563)
I found the facebook killed forums more than Reddit, although its probably both depending on the audience.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by baron_harkonnen on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:55PM (#27058664)
I’m still surprised that Tor hidden services never filled that gap.

As more and more stuff disappears from the clear web, I assumed more people would realize that .onion sites don’t have to be a wasteland of largely spooky scams.

But if anything the quality of hidden services seems to have declined in recent years. I’m guessing it’s a mix of darknet FUD combined with less and less people knowing how to host a website without using an easy to deploy service

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by thrwaeasddsaf on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:15AM (#27061157)
> less people knowing how to host a website without using an easy to deploy service

Also less people just caring about anything that isn't the normal open web. Have to install something? Nope, no way. Unless some very dramatic and visible changes take place in our society (or big companies with too much power step in and make the choice for the average user), darknets are doomed to be a tiny tiny niche.

Right now tor stats says there are between 2M and 2.5M users.. and if you discount everyone who's just using it to hide their IP / piracy / working around geo blocks, the potential audience for content hosted as a hidden service is absolutely tiny.

I also think that if tor or any such system got really big among normies, governments would start cracking down. Right now it's probably just a convenient tool for hosting honey pots and keeping an eye on the few people that use it.

Every once in a while I think about hosting a blog or a forum on tor but then I get the vibe that I'd have about as many readers as I would if I just wrote my thoughts on toilet paper before flushing.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by TheAdamAndChe on Thursday May 06, 2021 @07:36AM (#27061722)
I'm absolutely convinced that Tor was compromised around late 2012 or early 2013. It used to be the wild west on steroids. You could find deviant material everywhere and had to do no digging. Then the dominoes started falling around the time of the Silk Road shutdown. Hosting companies, hidden wiki's linking to twisted stuff, video sites, bomb-making sites, drug sites all shut down in swift succession.

My experience convinced me that any network that advertises itself as anonymous and is actually anonymous will swiftly be filled with deviant material. That will be my litmus test for anonymous networks going forward.

Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by Matticus_Rex on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:20PM (#27058814)
Video over Tor is not likely to catch on.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by kfprt on Thursday May 06, 2021 @12:27AM (#27059168)
Video over Tor is surprisingly usable in my experience. Captchas are a much bigger problem.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by ce4 on Thursday May 06, 2021 @01:32AM (#27059501)
Services that ask for captcha solving when on tor are probably hosted / delivered via cloudflare. Not an option for a hidden service.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by Dumbdo on Thursday May 06, 2021 @06:21AM (#27061192)
That's definitely not true. Most hidden service use some darknet-specific captchas nowadays. Just open the next best darknet market or simply forum and you'll see what I mean.
Re:LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online by kfprt on Thursday May 06, 2021 @01:58AM (#27059656)
I use tor for some of my normal clearnet browsing and static hosting .mp4's works decently over tor. Basically anything not bloated/modern works great.