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Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by OldGoodNewBad on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @05:09AM (#27047757)
This is, quite literally, how every It department is supplied. Some exec gets a BJ and a free trip and you get a terrible product you’re supposed to fit into your infra.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by Illniyar on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:02AM (#27048418)
No it's not. What he did was vastly different. He basically got revenue sharing with the vendor - he opened a company and got a certain percentage of profit the vendor made from netflix sent to his company.

In some he personally got shares.

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by protomyth on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:20AM (#27048171)
Zed Shaw talked about "steak & strippers" during his ACL talk https://vimeo.com/2723800

I guess this executive decided to go a bit beyond the normal practices.

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by jiscariot on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:35AM (#27048607)
I'd laugh, but this is how we ended up with BMC service desk shoved down our throats at a very large insurance company I used to work for. Not sure if there was a trip though.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by nix23 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @05:24AM (#27047846)
Maybe in the dotcom market, but when it really maters, NO. And that's why for example Mainframes will exist for a long time if not forever.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by easton on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:00AM (#27048409)
Why do you think they chose the mainframe vendor (presumably IBM if it is still around) in the first place?
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by ncmncm on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:10AM (#27049375)
IBM has very strict rules about anyone (below a certain but unspecified level!) offering or accepting anything at all. IBM employees you might meet are not allowed to so much as buy or accept lunch at a conference.

The general rule for US corruption is that it is concentrated at the top. Grift at lower levels amounts to stealing from your superiors; you should be getting hand-downs, not going freelance.

But US corruption has moved toward making it all legal at the top level; thus, "cost overruns" and "waste", all indictment-proof, because they are right there in the contract. So on any random tunnel, nuke, or weapons system, 10-25% is for the result and the rest goes discreetly into pockets. Top pockets. Ultimately, the latter motivates the project's organizational sponsors, and the project itself is just cover.

VC firms designate a few winners and lots of loser startups. The losers are then milked, "placing" executives who then spend on designated services. In the '90s these usually included Oracle licenses at $500k and up, a certain "e-commerce platform" (name forgotten), and recruiting agencies. It seems like there are a lot more outfits to siphon money than before.

(They fund losers because they are contractually obliged to place a certain amount of money in a fixed timeframe. When not enough winners show up, thd rest has to be placed on losers. Also, graft.)

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by FooBarBizBazz on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @10:46AM (#27050506)
> VC firms designate a few winner and lots of loser startups. The losers are then milked, "placing" executives who then spend on designated services.

This explains so much.

The new things must be cloud, auth, and HR platforms.

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by ncmncm on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:54AM (#27051526)
One reason solar and wind projects generally finish on time and budget, and why solar and wind costs keep dropping, may be that there are so many idealists involved. It might take decades to drive prices back up, even after the idealists are disposed of. In the meantime, those industries are not very lucrative for grifters, anyway until you get to SolarCity scale.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by burntoutfire on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @02:37PM (#27053900)
> IBM has very strict rules about anyone (below a certain but unspecified level!) offering or accepting anything at all. IBM employees you might meet are not allowed to so much as buy or accept lunch at a conference.

...in the US. In Poland IBM was caught bribing a government official a couple years ago.

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by ncmncm on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @04:00PM (#27054916)
Ah, but was it by anyone you might meet? Or someone above that certain level?
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by burntoutfire on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @05:18PM (#27055956)
It was a local "sales director" (which in many companies is a title given to pretty much everyone doing enterprise sales).
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by ncmncm on Thursday May 06, 2021 @12:30AM (#27059185)
Not everybody follows the rules. Not everybody who breaks them gets caught.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by nix23 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:26AM (#27048557)
Reliability, predictability, compatibility...cost is not really important, and bribery is not a good idea in the Banking Industry.

>IBM

Or Fujitsu

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by sargun on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:22AM (#27048184)
This is effectively how 100% of medical deals got made.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by nix23 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:32AM (#27048265)
Well i was talking about "traditional IT" hence the Mainframe thing (Finance etc.).
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by LatteLazy on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @05:30AM (#27047880)
In 10 years I've never seen this happen in finance. Quite the opposite in fact: gifts bigger than a cup of coffee must be reported.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by steve19 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @05:41AM (#27047944)
Nobody know's what is not declared. The Pentagon had a problem with defense contractors getting around the rules by instead holding elaborate dinner parties. They since cracked down on it. The rules still allow some scope for these kind of gifts. [0]

In the private sector it is not unheard of for a salesperson to drop 5 figures on champagne. If salesman from firm A is willing to give an exec or buyer a night to remember once or twice a year, with booze costing one or two weeks salary before tax, and the salesperson from firm B simply sends a "happy holidays" card once a year, it can easily sway that exec even if they believe they are unbiased.

[0] https://dodsoco.ogc.osd.mil/Portals/102/gifts.pdf

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by taurath on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:28AM (#27048232)
"This extremely cheap knockoff of a 17th century highly valuable ceramic pot is only valued at $45, which happens to come in $5 under the allotment for bribery in your company policy"
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by exdsq on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @07:58AM (#27048788)
Reminds me of this sketch

https://youtu.be/bbTfR64PArU

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by maxwelldone on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:15AM (#27049427)
Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister are brilliant shows.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by taurath on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:34AM (#27049603)
Exactly the one I was thinking of :)
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by praptak on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:48AM (#27048333)
Serious bribes either don't look like gifts or don't even go directly to the person who is being bribed. There are "industry conferences" organized in expensive resorts. In a recent case in Poland a CEO of a company bought his apartment for approximately a half of the market price.

For the really big bribes there are shell companies, which the vendor hires as subcontractor to get "consulting services".

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by KptMarchewa on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:57AM (#27048386)
>In a recent case in Poland a CEO of a company bought their apartment for approximately a half of the market price.

The "CEO" in question is in practice political commissar of the ruling party.

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by praptak on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @08:40AM (#27049126)
Yes but they still cannot be too open about corruption.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by mschuster91 on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:22AM (#27048181)
Netskope has an awfully big list of customers (https://www.netskope.com/customers) despite having a product that is absolute crap for the end users. I cannot imagine why any executive worth their salt would decide to purchase it without some form of incentive.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by LatteLazy on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:29AM (#27048237)
What's that quote about not mistaking incompetence for malice?

Also, there is always about 10 times more legacy shit than decent new software in any org. That's the ultimate goal for many companies: not even good (let along best) quality but essential because we built something a decade ago to go with it and no one wants to undo all that convoluted undocumented bs. It's sad and I think tech people like me don't "get" it. But it's actually a much better business model than making good software and competing on price/quality.

I worked for plenty of good and shitty software companies. I've never seen bribery. I have seen shitty companies win because they're bigger or older or what was used last time or more polished at speaking to execs who know nothing. One place I worked at made most of its sales because we were a subsidiary of a stock exchange. So people assumed we were safe and competent (we weren't). "No one gets fired for choosing IBM" AND "No one gets a bonus for choosing something better but less well known, quite the opposite, they have to justify it"

Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by tonyedgecombe on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @06:55AM (#27048375)
Those customers ought to be looking at the process leading to purchase and wondering who got a bung in that process.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by exhilaration on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @09:24AM (#27049511)
I see Netflix is no longer on the list!
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by FartyMcFarter on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @05:38AM (#27047931)
Lots of things "must" happen but don't.
Re:Ex-Netflix VP found guilty of awarding tech contracts in ... by bongobingo on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @08:29AM (#27049033)
Probably because finance people know to not accept such obvious bribery.