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Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by gscott on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @01:58PM (#27040463)
California is running an experiment that collects all of your location data while in a car to collect a gas tax. Of course once they have it they will make it available for any government agency.
Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by Forbo on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:07PM (#27040620)
I really, really hate this. Why not just require an annual odometer reading and multiply by vehicle weight to determine how much should be owed to cover road and transportation infrastructure costs?

Far easier than maintaining a complex system to track every drivers' location over time. Ugh.

Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by elihu on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @06:22PM (#27043600)
The usual explanation is that they want to tax only in-state travel, so they need the location data.

That seems like something that one ought to be allowed to opt out of in favor of an odometer reading; I do something like 99% of my driving in my home state, and would rather just go with an annual odometer reading and maybe slightly overpay on my road taxes than have a tracking device in my car.

Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by mandelbrotwurst on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:10PM (#27040676)
Because the goal is as much to collect the location data as it is the tax.
Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by sthnblllII on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:34PM (#27041062)
No I think collecting the data is much more the actual goal and the tax is a flimsy pretext.
Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by bdavisx on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:27PM (#27040949)
Because the next logical step is to allow jurisdictions (cities/counties/whatever) charge more tax on their roads.
Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by 83 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @05:10PM (#27042953)
Oh boy just wait until the ultra wealthy realize they can lobby to have a $50 per mile road tax going into their community to discourage the poors from using their parks/beaches/public areas.
Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @08:37PM (#27044655)
This is more or less the purpose of toll roads.
Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:17AM (#27050976)
A dynamic toll can be used to reduce incentive to drive on the road at certain times. It's not feasible to make a 10 mile wide road due to congestion for 2 hours during the day.

Solution? Increase the cost during those 2 hours such that fewer people choose to use the road during those hours. You can give poor people cash and they can decide if it's worth using that road during the times with higher congestion, but the problem of exceeding a road's capacity along with the inability to build infinite lane roads is separate from income/wealth gaps.

Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by throwaway0a5e on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:28AM (#27051146)
Everyone already has to pay in time and frustration to use the roads when it is congested. Slapping a monetary fee on top gives priority to the wealthy. $10/day is a lot more when you make $12/hr. When you consider the flexibility afforded to well compensated white collar workers it becomes even less fair.

The drywaller has every right to sit in stop and go traffic with the investment banker.

Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday May 05, 2021 @11:33AM (#27051218)
Yes, and that’s a distribution of wealth problem. Making both the drywalled and banker sit in traffic doesn't solve it. The banker will take a helicopter. Or leave the office early.

Congested roads have externalities such as the congestion backing up into side streets, rubber banding the congestion along the rest of the road, and extra use of brakepads/fuel energy to stop and go.

Spending time in congestion also adversely affects lower paid people because the cost of their time spent in congestion is implicit. If it was made explicit via tolls, then employers would have to pay better to get them to their workplace at peak congestion times.

Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:41PM (#27041172)
I suspect being able to assign infrastructure money to the correct county public works departments is a thing. And even on the more simple sense, your odometer read would let California tax people for miles they drove outside of California.

Not that I support this initiative at all, but your suggestion misses some key issues.

Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by nick_kline on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:04PM (#27041523)
Just because its convenient doesn't mean I want that. I want less tracking. At least let people opt in to reporting their mileage and paying an annual tax instead of even more tracking.
Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by nomel on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @03:01PM (#27041484)
Assuming the tax rate was flat, regardless of the road, usage could be found as it is now, with road sensors and cameras. If they want to have different rates for different roads, then that could make sense.
Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by michaelmrose on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @08:43PM (#27044704)
The problem is this is liable to at minimum leak your entire social graph and all data that can be derived from same. The vastly more logical thing to do would be to abolish the gas tax and increase taxes either on vehicles or on income.

The second best solution if you must tax miles driven is to mandate new cars include short range Bluetooth readable odometers and let users electronically submit this data to oem. While we are at it car electronics should be mandated to be able to perform this task without giving your contact data to the fuckin car.

Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by philsnow on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:23PM (#27040880)
do you have more information on this? what's it called? this one? http://caroadcharge.com/
Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by bb123 on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @05:59PM (#27043404)
Why not just tax gas? It’s the perfect solution. The more you drive, the more you pay. The more polluting your car, the more you pay. Long term it seems inevitable that tax will need to move onto the electricity used to charge cars.
Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @08:39PM (#27044671)
Yes, the fuel tax is far more perfect if the goal is to tax road usage and pollution but the state worried about future $$ and taxing gas is not future proof in the face of EVs. They want shovel read infrastructure to tax the people with money (the middle and upper middle class) and those people look like they're gonna buy EVs.

I'd like to think it's because EV proliferation makes the gas tax too regressive but I'm not that good at lying to myself.

Re:A CBP contract shows the risks in connecting your vehicle... by weaksauce on Tuesday May 04, 2021 @02:49PM (#27041308)
you have a link to that claim? all i've seen have been for electric vehicles and a mileage at the end of the year on your taxes.