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Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by ilaksh on Monday May 03, 2021 @05:50PM (#27031206)
How can it possibly monitor blood glucose without a sample? The people in the comments seem strangely unsurprised.

It somehow can see microscopic features in moving blood through the skin and blood vessel walls?

Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by rcoveson on Monday May 03, 2021 @05:55PM (#27031262)
They trained an ML model that predicts blood glucose based on age, sex, GPS location, and Apple Pay transactions. Just bought a #3 combo at Taco Bell and arrived at home? Blood glucose spikes 15 minutes later.
Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by ortusdux on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:07PM (#27031429)
"We see that your blood glucose is low. You are currently 0.3 miles from a Starbucks(TM)."
Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by marc__1 on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:06PM (#27031414)
You can check out the claims that Rockley Photonics (Apple sensor supplier for the watch) made in their SPAC presentation or their patents

https://rockleyphotonics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Rock...

https://patents.justia.com/assignee/rockley-photonics-limite...

Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by random42_ on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:01PM (#27031355)
From the linked article: Apple has been revealed to be the largest customer of the British electronics start-up Rockley Photonics, The Telegraph reports.

Rockley Photonics has developed non-invasive optical sensors for detecting multiple blood-related health metrics, including blood pressure, blood glucose, and blood alcohol levels, many of which are only normally detectable with more invasive dedicated medical equipment. Rockley's sensors beam infrared light through a user's skin, much like the existing sensors on the back of the Apple Watch for detecting heart rate and blood oxygen levels.

Edit: formatting

Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by r00fus on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:10PM (#27031471)
This is straight-up tricorder level shit if it pans out. Definitely upgrading from my v4 if that's the case.
Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by amelius on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:45PM (#27031857)
This still doesn't explain how it works. Oxygen and heart rate can be done with light, this is well known, but how does it measure glucose and alcohol levels and blood pressure?
Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by throwawayboise on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:58PM (#27031990)
If someone is really drunk you can smell the alcohol standing near them. Not sure about glucose but possibly it's detecting chemicals diffusing through the skin or pores?
Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by throwaway5752 on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:21PM (#27031575)
It would be very interesting how this would reliably work across a diverse population without some sort of calibration step. I am skeptical, but it is Apple.
Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by criddell on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:06PM (#27031408)
If they can get blood glucose working through the watch, they are going to sell tens of millions of additional units.
Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by _Microft on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:02PM (#27031360)
Blood oxygen levels are also measured optically already. If you can find an optical property of blood (that depends on a particular substance) which can be measured through the skin (infrared light can penetrate skin and flesh to some degree), you can build a sensor for it.
Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by Pokepokalypse on Monday May 03, 2021 @07:12PM (#27032097)
Sure but oxygenation is strongly correlated with hemoglobin color, so it's very easy.

Blood pressure, on the other hand, is very difficult to measure, and it fluctuates wildly based on a wide variety of confounding factors. It would be amazing if they figured out a way to get this information optically.

Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by ilaksh on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:05PM (#27031401)
Infrared. Got it. Thanks.
Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by Someone on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:35PM (#27031745)
Could be something else. The wikipedia page on this technology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noninvasive_glucose_monitor) mentions “bioimpedance spectroscopy, microwave/RF sensing, fluorescence technology, mid-infrared spectroscopy, near infrared spectroscopy, optical coherence tomography, optical polarimetry, raman spectroscopy, reverse iontophoresis, and ultrasound technolog“

That page also claims there isn’t any clinically or commercially viable product yet. That seems out of date to me, given that https://www.labiotech.eu/best-biotech/needle-free-glucose-mo... mentions 8 devices you can buy now.

Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by FireBeyond on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:49PM (#27031901)
> That page also claims there isn’t any clinically or commercially viable product yet. That seems out of date to me, given that https://www.labiotech.eu/best-biotech/needle-free-glucose-mo... mentions 8 devices you can buy now.

"needle free" !- "non-invasive".

Several of those devices are implanted subdermally.

Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by kergonath on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:52PM (#27031935)
> raman spectroscopy

And now I can’t stop thinking about wearing a Raman spectrometer on my wrist :)

Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by _Microft on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:09PM (#27031452)
It is called near-infrared spectroscopy ("NIRS") and you can read more about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-infrared_spectroscopy

Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by bjtitus on Monday May 03, 2021 @06:00PM (#27031343)
There has been a fair amount of research and (seeming) success in this area: https://www.medicaldesignandoutsourcing.com/mit-researchers-...

Not sure how close it is to being out of the lab but it definitely seems doable.

Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by yazaddaruvala on Monday May 03, 2021 @07:20PM (#27032156)
> Rockley’s optical technology enables the miniaturization of sensing devices necessary for the evolution of a wearable spectrometer [0]

If you have a wearable spectrometer (i.e. measure the wavelengths that are reflected), and a variable light source (i.e. control the frequencies sent into the body), you can isolate repeating patterns, even for molecules like glucose: https://youtu.be/xMa1BQ8z9C0?t=541

I'm still not sure how they can tell the parts per million, etc. Probably through multiple samples over time, or multiple veins.

[0] Page 18: https://rockleyphotonics.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Rock...

Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by yuppie_scum on Monday May 03, 2021 @05:57PM (#27031299)
Sweat analysis of some sort
Re:Apple Watch Likely to Gain BP, Blood Glucose, and Blood A... by nbar on Monday May 03, 2021 @05:55PM (#27031268)
Maybe Elizabeth Holmes is helping out?