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Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by mannerheim on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:57PM (#27011070)
If you're making the same amount of money as you did before, and you're paying the kitchen staff more, how are you going to pay waitstaff more?
Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by ruined on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:41PM (#27011648)
the economic calculus of a restaurant does not massively change based on a switch from tipped service to untipped service. there is still money coming in and food going out.

i am advocating that employers be held responsible for paying their employees. the current tipped service regime fails to attribute that responsibility to employers, and leaves employees vulnerable.

i have seen no-tip service implemented in a way that satisfied employees. i have seen also it done in a way that drove staff to quit, and in those cases the fault lay entirely with management trying to reduce compensation.

stop asking questions about a fantasy budget. i do not care. if tipped service was abolished tomorrow, employers would figure it out.

Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by mannerheim on Saturday May 01, 2021 @10:08PM (#27011786)
> i have seen no-tip service implemented in a way that satisfied employees.

Have you seen no-tip service implemented with waitstaff earning as much as they did before?

> if tipped service was abolished tomorrow, employers would figure it out.

Of course they would figure it out if tipped service were abolished. But I am confident the outcome of whatever they figured out would result in lower take-home pay for waitstaff, as waitstaff would no longer be able to earn more money by switching to an establishment that allowed tips.

Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by ruined on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:49PM (#27012213)
>Have you seen no-tip service implemented with waitstaff earning as much as they did before?

Yes. This entire thread is just me telling you repeatedly for twenty-four hours that equivalent compensation is the only thing that works.

Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by mannerheim on Sunday May 02, 2021 @12:10AM (#27012284)
I don't doubt that equivalent compensation is necessary to get waitstaff to stay. I do doubt that it's possible for a restaurant to switch to no-tipping, offer equivalent compensation, and pay the kitchen staff more equitably.
Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by ruined on Sunday May 02, 2021 @01:23AM (#27012564)
oh well in that case i guess we'd better just cut to the chase, expropriate the owners and collectivize