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Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by hpoe on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:53PM (#27010635)
Anyone know of any good Linux phones. Mine is going to be dead soon and for a while I liked Pixel because it didn't have all the Samsung or Motorola or anytime else bloatware, but with what Google has been doing I'd prefer a full Linux phone.

I've looked a Librem but $1500 is kind of hard to justify when I have all my other expenses that come with a young family.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by m4rtink on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:24PM (#27012121)
I have been using the officially supported Sailfis OS on Sony Xperia devices for years as my main device:

https://jolla.com/sailfishx/

The idea is you buy one of the supported Xperia phones, buy a Sailfish OS license and flash it on the phone. The license you bought pays for continued software updates (new features & security fixes) as well some external software they integrate (predictive typing support & android app emulation support). Yeah, if the native Sailfish OS apps are not sufficient for you, it can also run most Android apps via an emulation layer.

So while Sailfish OS is not fully open source unfortunatelly, it's at the moment IMHO the best mobile Linux distro available on easy to get modern hardware.

Ideally over time fully open source distros and more open hardware take over but till then Sailfis OS can serve as a good "bridge", AZ it has since the Jolla company taking care of it was started by the ex N900/Maemo/MeeGO crew.

Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by stiray on Sunday May 02, 2021 @04:39AM (#27013422)
Same here. Sony Xperia 10 plus and sailfish os. Daily driver, used all the time. I also have Cosmo Communicator in a drawer - it could be useful but not having camera on phone in linux is a no go.

I am trying to get linux on my phone since HTC Blueangel (Ångström linux was the first booting from SD card) and it was always barely usable.

Sailfish works so great that it was no brainer to pay those 50 euros for license. Fingerprint reader, camera, bluetooth (as common painpoints for linux on phone) are all working flawlessly. I had to reverse 1 android application that I really need (banking app) and remove safetynet checks but beside that, zero issues. And I dont any other application from android ecosystem that I dont have here as native (and far less battery draining) version.

I hope that Jolla will continue its great work and I really hope they start supporting some other phones like Huawei. I am sick of google and its toxic, spyware driven ecosystem.

I dont have issue paying for useful application or operating system. But having operating system that is preinstalled with google spyware and than 99% of applications you try to install try to steal your data (not to mention that they all ignore GDPR) is not acceptable.

Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by mempko on Sunday May 02, 2021 @01:39AM (#27012612)
I am using Sailfish OS with Sony XA2. It's my daily driver and has been for years. Jolla still releases updates with new features and UI fixes. They also have been upgrading their Android support and most of the apps I care about work well.

Going to buy the Sony 10 II once they release support for it.

Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by loosescrews on Sunday May 02, 2021 @01:30AM (#27012589)
Also note that Sailfish is fairly inexpensive. My current Sailfish phone (Xperia 10) cost me ~$200 USD new including the license from Jolla.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by skvark on Sunday May 02, 2021 @06:06AM (#27013824)
I have currently Sony XA2 with Sailfish OS. Just ordered Xperia 10 II so I have it ready when they publish the official version for it. I have been using Sailfish as my daily driver since the original Jolla phone was released in 2013.

The only issue that I might see as a blocker for some users is that the Android layer is not perfect. It does not support Bluetooth properly so pretty much any Android app that connects to some external peripheral like smart watch will not work. Additionally, you might need to install for example microG to run some apps via the Android layer.

Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by Lev1a on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:38PM (#27010971)
> Motorola [...] bloatware

What do you mean? I've had a couple Motorola phones from the G series (G1 and G4 and currently an AndroidOne) and AFAICT it's been pretty much stock Android apart from:

- an app for support enquiries (with diagnostic functionality for the screen, sensors etc.) which I've actually used before,

- one app you could opt-in to to get something like product newsletters from Motorola (I don't care for spam)

- and since the AndroidOne an app for audio EQ (which I don't really need/use).

All of these don't even use 80 MB of the internal storage (64 GB) so I don't really know where you get the "bloatware" from.

Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by ericlewis on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:10PM (#27012051)
It’s bloat because those don’t need to be there.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by esperent on Sunday May 02, 2021 @12:36AM (#27012387)
It just seems strange for you to single out Motorola which is one of the companies with the least bloatware unstalled.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by Lev1a on Sunday May 02, 2021 @12:59PM (#27016771)
Those apps stay out of your way if you don't wanna use them and they barely use 0.1% of the internal storage.

I'd hardly call that bloat given the "Samsung Experience" I once had on one of those GalaxyNote 10.1 tablets. It was slow (basically everything in any app lagged), the OS was a non-upgradable Android 4.3 or 4.4 with heaps of Samsung BS constantly running and replacing standard apps (e.g. the browser). Also that tablet one day just would not charge anymore after ~1.5-2 years of fairly light use (reading, some video streaming, things like that).

Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by LukeShu on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:15PM (#27010812)
> I've looked a Librem but $1500 is kind of hard to justify

Huh, did you accidentally look at the price of a Librem laptop? The Librem 5 phone USD$800. (But $800 is still kind of hard to justify, especially with "wait more than a year").

Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by drewzero1 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:28PM (#27011576)
Maybe they're thinking of the Librem 5 USA? Priced at $2k, also pretty hard to justify even if I do kind of admire what they're trying to do with it.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by foolmeonce on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:30PM (#27010918)
I would suggest an Android One or econo-level Google Phone using adb to delete google bloatware, choosing a qualcomm or something that looks not totally encumbered so it might be possible to transition to Linux when the 3 years are up.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by ekianjo on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:00PM (#27010691)
The Pinephone is a nice phone, but still in beta and underpowered to say the least.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by jcun4128 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:05PM (#27010727)
But it is $200 haha but yeah agreed on poor performance

Though it was cool installing/running VS Code on it

Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by WrtCdEvrydy on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:12PM (#27010777)
I'm a Moto G-Series guy... still running my G7.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by Krisjohn on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:21PM (#27010849)
It's so cheap, just get one.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by ziml77 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:17PM (#27012088)
The environmental impact of buying something they'll toy around with for 5 minutes and never touch again isn't cheap.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by fsflover on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:11AM (#27025302)
The environmental impact of having no alternative to the duopoly is much larger.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by derekp7 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:50PM (#27011035)
Only options I know of are a couple crowd funding ones, and Linux is a secondary option on them (they are Android primarily). The ones from Planet Computers can run sailfish, and I've read that FXtec is coming out with a new model that supports ubuntu touch as a first class citizen.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by domano on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:04PM (#27010720)
For your use case i would recommend getting an android phone that has good support for a custom rom of your choice. IMHO all the straight-up linux phones are not capable of replacing a smartphone for everyday use.
Re:Will Linux phones stay around this time? by fsflover on Sunday May 02, 2021 @10:37AM (#27015664)
> I've looked a Librem but $1500

It costs $800, not $1500.