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Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by 99_00 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:48PM (#27009221)
I've never built a PC. I expect the crytpocurency bubble to collapse because my tech ignorant accountant friend asked what I know about building a crypto mining rig.

What should I read to prepare myself to take advantage of the cheap used high end hardware that will hit the market do build a Windows or Linux system for my own pleasure.

Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by bitL on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:51PM (#27009250)
Coinbase had IPO, meaning serious business bought their shares, hedge and pension funds - I would be careful expecting any kind of normalcy in the next 2-3 years.
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by dehrmann on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:51PM (#27010211)
Coinbase had a direct listing. There was no roadshow to line up institutional investors. I'm sure some big-time investors bought shares, but I'm sure some retail ones did, too. You know who sold? Early Coinbase investors and employees.
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by m463 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:01PM (#27011424)
That's normal. The primary moneymaking product of small startups is ... stock.
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by 99_00 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:47PM (#27010183)
>serious business bought their shares, hedge and pension funds

Your assuming that proves a point, but it doesn't.

Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by Havoc on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:52PM (#27009256)
I wouldn't count on it collapsing any time soon. Not with everyone from Visa to Time magazine jumping on the bandwagon

>I've never built a PC.

Definitely worthwhile. Basically lego for adults. Tons of good info here

https://old.reddit.com/r/buildapc/

Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by graeme on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:11PM (#27009377)
There is a well known curse to Time/Newsweek/Businessweek covers. Things that make the front page there tend to do worse.

No guarantee, but it’s more of an anti signal.

Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by diarrhea on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:41PM (#27009629)
That's regression to the mean and perfectly normal, there's a whole science associated with it. It's not a curse or even specific to any outlet. This is a suitable example: https://web.archive.org/web/20210121061334/http://wmbriggs.c...
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by graeme on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:26PM (#27010442)
Right. I just meant being in Time is not much of a signal
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by Havoc on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:41PM (#27010546)
I meant Time accepts BTC for subscriptions now...not Time as in BTC making Time cover
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by 99_00 on Sunday May 02, 2021 @02:04PM (#27017366)
>I wouldn't count on it collapsing any time soon. Not with everyone from Visa to Time magazine jumping on the bandwagon

"Jump on the bandwagon" Meaning: to support a cause only because it is popular to do so.

Sounds like a bubble. I encourage more people to jump on the bandwagon. I'm not in a hurry to get my new computer and the bigger the bubble gets the more cheap hardware will be available when it pops.

https://www.ecenglish.com/learnenglish/lessons/why-do-we-say...

Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by cbozeman on Sunday May 02, 2021 @09:58AM (#27015342)
Cryptocurrency is a logical response to central banks around the world trying to print their way out of their bad decisions instead of putting the ultra wealthy in their place.

That's why crypto isn't going anywhere and this will only get worse.

Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by 99_00 on Sunday May 02, 2021 @01:53PM (#27017261)
>Cryptocurrency is a logical response to central banks around the world trying to print their way out of their bad decisions instead of putting the ultra wealthy in their place.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. To me this sounds like political rhetoric not an argument.

Are you saying that cryptocurrency can replace central banks? Are you saying that cryptocurrency is some kind of revenge or punishment against central banks and wealthy? Are you saying something else??

Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by swinglock on Sunday May 02, 2021 @02:21PM (#27017511)
It's literally how it started.

> The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks

Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by 99_00 on Sunday May 02, 2021 @08:03PM (#27020246)
What is the literal connection between that headline and the how cryptocurrencies started?
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by mhh__ on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:56PM (#27010246)
Presumably you're familiar with ebay?

(I wouldn't necessarily trust parts that have been worked to death btw)

Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by 99_00 on Sunday May 02, 2021 @01:54PM (#27017268)
I don't know how to make a shopping list and put the parts together.
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by scientismer on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:34PM (#27010070)
I wouldn't count on the cheap hardware, it may be pretty much broken after endless full power use for mining.
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by shiftpgdn on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:45PM (#27010160)
I mined bitcoin, litecoin and later dogecoin on a bunch of workstations in a hot humid garage in Houston, Texas for years straight. I gave one of the workstations to a friend when I retired from mining in 2013 or so. It was still running fine when he retired it last year. Consumer electronics are much more durable than you would imagine.
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by scientismer on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:35PM (#27010943)
Then maybe I was just unlucky, broke one GPU mining Bitcoin.
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by Slartie on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:55PM (#27010236)
Miners usually undervolt the GPUs to mine at peak efficiency, not peak performance and power consumption. Since chip wear correlates with power usage and heat production, GPU usage for mining is actually much less taxing for the hardware than typical gaming use with its frequent overclocking and rapid alterations between low and maximum power use.
Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by R0b0t1 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:19PM (#27010836)
It is also important to realize the wear on the chips is relevant on the order of 100 years. What fails on the order of 1-5 years are capacitors and insulation on the power supply coil windings and fan motor windings, but the latter only sometimes.

Capacitors notably derate exponentially with increasing temperature as do many other things.

Re:Thoughts on a “HDD shortage” from an industry insider by acidbaseextract on Sunday May 02, 2021 @03:47AM (#27013145)
To echo the other commenters, mining is pretty gentle on GPUs insofar as constant use goes. ETH is memory bandwidth limited, so cards can be heavily undervolted and underclocked (while overclocking memory) saving power without negatively affecting hashrate. More power is wasteful. Typical ETH mining GPU temps are around 60C. I'd feel ok about buying a used card off someone who knows what they're doing mining.

The 3080 and 3090 are the singular exception. The GDDR6X runs extremely hot and frankly I think it's going to cause a bunch of early failures for even non-mining cards.