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Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by nostrademons on Saturday May 01, 2021 @01:56PM (#27008311)
I feel like this is commonly believed by people with neither money nor startup experience. Sometimes it's even believed by people with money, who feel it absolves them of the need to have startup experience, and then their startup fails. Hell, could swear I've worked for a couple of these guys.

Money - lots of money, $1M basically just gives you the freedom to tinker on your own time - basically gives you the ability to hire other people to do the actual work of serving customers. If you want a successful startup, you need to know which customers, what work, and how it should be done, in a way that nobody else has figured out yet. An employee is not going to figure it out for you; if they could do that, they'd be off starting their own business. If your competitive advantage is that you have more money than everyone else, you will still fail; people who lack money are unaware of just how much money is floating around in capital markets and how little that differentiates you. Conversely, if you do have a unique insight into an untapped market that's more profitable than any existing way of doing things, financiers will be falling over each other to give you money and take a slice of those profits.

In my experience, the key reagents to a successful startup are information, insight, timing, luck, connections, and technical skills, in that order. This is largely reiterating the thesis of the article - "market matters most" - but in terms where it's the entrepreneur's job to find an untapped market, at precisely the moment in time when it's ready to be tapped.

Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by hnhg on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:23PM (#27008529)
Money gives you more throws of the dice, and often with 'better' dice.
Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by Frost1x on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:55PM (#27009268)
Interesting to see this down-voted. This is absolutely correct. Many like to pretend money and capital don't give a competitive advantage when that's entirely far from the truth.

I think few people truly believe money guarantees success and that's rarely claimed from my experience. There are plenty of other factors that need to be met to start a successful business, but if you have money, those other factors can be focused on more intensely and you'll be less hamstringed on factors like timing and time to market, innovation/added value, network effects/marketing, and so on.

You're working at a disadvantage in most other aspects needed for a successful business if you don't have a certain baseline of capital to work from. Often times more capital infusion beyond that baseline can help. There are certain problems addressed by startups that throwing money at no longer helps and you can reach diminishing returns. That's a nice problem to have.

To your point, money can buy you a Monte Carlo (or MCMC for 'better') approach to market exploration for your businesses products/services. You can try, fail, and adapt.

For many without piles of money, starting a business can afford only one failure (if they're that lucky) in their lifetime. No retries with refinements.

Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by ThalesX on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:48PM (#27011684)
I grew up very good friends with two brothers that had wealthy parents. We built our first company together at 18 and failed.

Since then, for about 5 years I did full time corporate work while they failed maybe two dozen businesses. The nice part is that out of those failures, two companies took roots and basically now they’re a lot wealthier than their parents and they long since paid of all the money they lost during those years.

Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by unishark on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:13PM (#27012069)
Funding yourself is like representing yourself in court, you get a naive investor who doesn't know anything more than you do and doesn't reign in your dumb ideas.

While the rest of us need to get funding from experienced investors who vet our plan first. In a system where there are investors looking for people to invest in, this approach is bound to succeed more.

Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by mcjkrw on Sunday May 02, 2021 @04:07AM (#27013242)
It's not as much about hiring people, but if you can afford not having to work for living at all at an early age, you can become a genius in almost anything you pick by spending e.g. 60h a week on that thing, every week, for years and not having to worry you will ever run out of cash.

On the other hand, having the money and luxuries may eliminate the so much needed evolutionary pressure on a personal level. On the company level, there's also the trap of creating a "charity business" that is not profitable, but that's if you really have loads of cash to blow / VC-funding yourself.

Please don't interpret this message as "if I was rich, I would be successful". I just think it's harder and takes more time and more sacrifice when you have to work for a living, but creating a successful company is hard either way and requires full attention.

Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by guerrilla on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:24PM (#27008539)
> gives you the freedom to tinker on your own time - basically gives you the ability to hire other people to do the actual work of serving customers

"just"? Seems like you identified it as a main factor just like the parent. It's like the difference between necessary and sufficient but put in terms of probability instead: it significantly increases the chances that it's even possible to make an attempt. It's clearly not sufficient though, as you both point out though.

Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by nostrademons on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:08PM (#27009354)
People significantly overestimate the amount of money needed to make an attempt, and then overestimate the amount that additional money helps, though. It's cheaper to found a startup than most people think; your chances of success are lower than you think, and the chances of some rich person being successful are lower than everyone (usually including the rich person) thinks.

I started my first startup with $30K, saved up from 2 years of working at someone else's startup. That bought me a year and a half of tinkering time and 4 shots at goal. It'd cost more now, particularly with Bay Area prices (I was in Boston), but we're talking about $100K, not $1M.

If you want to make an attempt, go work for a FAANG or one of the recently-public tech companies for 2 years, live like a grad student, and bank the difference. Then work for somebody else's startup for a year to see what life outside a big corp is like, then you should have 2-3 years saved up if you haven't increased your living expenses. If you can't get a job at a FAANG, unicorn, or one of the other leading companies in your field, you're probably not ready (in terms of knowledge and technical skills) to found a startup. Once you do you're looking at ~$200K/year in total comp, which saves up really fast if you're still living like peers who make $60-70K/year.

Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by dzonga on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:08PM (#27009836)
> If you can't get a job at a FAANG, unicorn, or one of the other leading companies in your field, you're probably not ready (in terms of knowledge and technical skills) to found a startup.

that's an overstatement right there. real life evidence points otherwise. lots of companies are founded on the humble crud stacks - php, django, rails etc where the founders or engineers hardly knew what they were doing.

however yeah, I agree having runway by cutting expenses buys you a lot of time to tinker around.

Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by robocat on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:25PM (#27009980)
> If you want to make an attempt

Work in a company with more than 50 people. Spend your time learning who are the two people that bring 80% of value to the business. Join those two when they go off to start their own business, which they choose to do because they are grossly underpaid at their current company relative to their impact.

Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by ipaddr on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:36PM (#27011624)
What you said doesn't sounds like a good plan or make sense.

If I can land a job at faang why would I quit after two years to start a one person startup myself with $100,000 capital live horribility for 2 years at a faang and probably 2 more years trying to live off of that 100,000.

It sounds naive. If I want my startup to succeed I can't wait two years to basically bootstrap the business. If I'm at a faang why not wait a little longer and leave with someone else and get millions in seed money?

Re:Market is the most important factor in a startup's succes... by alisonkisk on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:33PM (#27009571)
If you startup isn't something like a search engine, peeing a FAANG interview is nowhere near the right filter. Being a good founder is probably anyo correlates to being a whiteboard coding worker bee