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Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by bdowling on Friday April 30, 2021 @07:13PM (#27000765)
> apparently there were also some cutbacks to benefits and allowances and stuff.

They cut a fitness benefit, wellness allowance, farmer's market share, and continuing education allowances. However, they paid each employee the value of the benefit for the year and they created a 10% profit sharing plan. https://world.hey.com/jason/changes-at-basecamp-7f32afc5

It's unclear how much money the 10% profit sharing is worth, except that now it's 50% better for the 2/3 of remaining employees. (edit: Yes, this is an oversimplification.)

Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by wlll on Friday April 30, 2021 @07:45PM (#27001117)
Source for this: I used to work there.

> it's 50% better for the 2/3 of remaining employees.

Only in a very simplistic view.

Basecamp runs very lean, ~58 people before this incident, which for the number of customers (large) is a small amount.

Basecamp is going to need to replace ~100% of those people. That means hiring costs, costs for hiring the wrong people, and lack of productivity.

This will most likely cost them more money than they "save".

Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by goatinaboat on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:16AM (#27004398)
costs for hiring the wrong people

I've read a bit more about the background to this now, and they hired someone in December who immediately went on an internal advocacy campaign for their personal politics. So, all of this, is the cost of hiring a "wrong" person.

Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by wlll on Saturday May 01, 2021 @10:09AM (#27006456)
Sometimes you hire the wrong person, Basecamp has done it before.

Having to replace (currently) 30%+ of your org increases that risk, in addition to the initial costs of hiring all those people and getting them up to speed.

Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by Sebb767 on Friday April 30, 2021 @09:06PM (#27001818)
> That means hiring costs, costs for hiring the wrong people, and lack of productivity.

Given that they seem to view politic discussions and committees as non-productive and that most of the people that left did so because these were important to them, they'll probably account for parts of their work and their leaving as "lack of productivity" and "hiring the wrong people" already.

EDIT: From a company perspective - not judging either way.

Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by wlll on Friday April 30, 2021 @09:12PM (#27001864)
You're mis-construing the situation. The people are leaving because of the heavy handed and incredibly insensitive policy making, not because they spent all their time in committees and that's being taken away from them.

All the people that left that I knew were incredibly talented and productive people, they are going to be a nightmare to replace.

Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by splitstud on Saturday May 01, 2021 @12:13AM (#27003024)
And the people that were going to leave because they were being harassed by these talented people? How much would it have cost to replace them?
Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by wlll on Saturday May 01, 2021 @10:07AM (#27006446)
There's no indication that anything like that alternative would have happened.
Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by Sebb767 on Friday April 30, 2021 @09:38PM (#27002040)
I'm not judging the people that left - sorry if that was received wrongly. I'm trying to say that from the perspective of the company, they probably see this deal less bad than you do.
Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by wlll on Saturday May 01, 2021 @10:06AM (#27006431)
Knowing what I know about the people who have left (so far) they are very much going to miss the people who have left. I don't know all of them as I left 5 years ago, but the ones I do know are all incredibly competent at what they do, including the ehtire iOS team.
Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by Rapzid on Friday April 30, 2021 @07:19PM (#27000823)
> except that now it's 50% better for the 2/3 of remaining employees

Spicy.

Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by swyx on Friday April 30, 2021 @07:54PM (#27001204)
is that mathematically how profit sharing works? game of thrones style? seems like it would create some very perverse incentives.
Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by Rapzid on Friday April 30, 2021 @08:38PM (#27001614)
I don't know about the math but I would hope a small-ish group of intelligent people likely familiar with game theory wouldn't get wrapped up in selfish, counterproductive tactics.
Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by dragonwriter on Friday April 30, 2021 @07:52PM (#27001185)
> They cut a fitness benefit, wellness allowance, farmer's market share, and continuing education allowances. However, they paid each employee the value of the benefit for the year and they created a 10% profit sharing plan.

So, the message that is very easy to take from this (since the employees know they work for a profit maximizing firm) is that Basecamp's own expectation of its future profitability was that the 10% profit sharing was likely to be less expensive than the benefits it replaced.

So, yeah, its quite possible that explains some part of the departures as much as the workplace speech code. But its all part and parcel of the same thing: "We're taking away your amenities, more tightly restricting your behavior, and exposing your to more risk" is quite a package.

> It’s unclear how much money the 10% profit sharing is worth, except that now it’s 50% better for the 2/3 of remaining employees.

Assuming the 1/3 that left, including many highly placed, had no role in producing profits. Which would be kind of weird.

And assuming the fact of the mass exodus has no impact on the perception of Basecamp and its product independent of the actual impact the employees had on profits, which would also be weird.

Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by Sebb767 on Friday April 30, 2021 @08:58PM (#27001762)
> So, the message that is very easy to take from this (since the employees know they work for a profit maximizing firm) is that Basecamp's own expectation of its future profitability was that the 10% profit sharing was likely to be less expensive than the benefits it replaced.

Or that they thought providing a monetary benefit, which each employee is free to spend as they wish, is a more attractive packet and/or better due to the reduced management overhead. Also, depending on how much the benefits cost them and how many employees used them, this might still be a better option for both sides.

Re:“About one-third of Basecamp employees accepted buyouts t... by dragonwriter on Saturday May 01, 2021 @12:07AM (#27002992)
> Or that they thought providing a monetary benefit, which each employee is free to spend as they wish, is a more attractive packet and/or better due to the reduced management overhead.

Sure, that's also an easy to reach interpretation. Unlike the other, not one that explains people being more likely to accept a buyout because of the change, so not relevant to the discussion, though.