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Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by smabie on Friday April 30, 2021 @05:31PM (#26999628)
plight: "a dangerous, difficult, or otherwise unfortunate situation."

Pretty sure a business can have plight.

Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by maybelsyrup on Friday April 30, 2021 @05:35PM (#26999664)
It was hyperbolic, yes, but only a little, I think. The point I was making is that we've drunk a lot of koolaid about corporations being legal persons, as having rights, etc., such that no one bats an eye at anthropomorphisms like "the suffering of a company". My claim is that a) those words in that context are anthropomorphisms, metaphors, and b) that I don't think we've had much of a conversation about the koolaid I'm alluding to. (Outside of wealthy educated elites like ourselves, I mean.)
Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by zepto on Friday April 30, 2021 @08:57PM (#27001756)
Nobody talks about “the suffering of a company” - that’s a made up example.

People do say things like ‘the company suffered losses’, but isn’t anthropomorphising.

Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by smabie on Friday April 30, 2021 @09:42PM (#27002063)
A company is just a group of people right? Like people talk about the plight of the Syrian people or whatever. What's the difference?
Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by ForHackernews on Friday April 30, 2021 @05:44PM (#26999770)
Maybe we're getting a little philosophical here, but I don't believe inanimate entities can experience "difficulty" or "misfortune".

Would you say that a rock suffers "misfortune" if it topples off a cliff into the sea? Is it "difficult" for a glacier to maintain its integrity in the face of global warming? Is my car unfortunate to have been scratched in a parking lot? (OK, I do believe that last one, but I'm anthropomorphising my car to talk about my own human misfortune)

Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by hervature on Friday April 30, 2021 @05:53PM (#26999852)
Definitely philosophical. If we can use statements like “a business had a bad quarter” and “a business had a good quarter” and understand that these mean that the financial statements were negative/positive. It isn’t a stretch to say something like “a business has had 10 straight bad quarters” is a plight considering a business can cease to exist.
Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by FFRefresh on Friday April 30, 2021 @05:55PM (#26999880)
Is a group of people an inanimate entity to you? Are there only certain types of groups of people that you think are an animate entity?
Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by ForHackernews on Friday April 30, 2021 @06:13PM (#27000127)
If you want to get really pedantic about it, a company is not a "group of people": a company is a particular legal structure for organising a profit-making enterprise. So yes, it is an inanimate entity.

When we say things like "that Lions football team suffered a crushing defeat", we're engaging in metonymy -- referring to the suffering of the members of the team but speaking metaphorically about "the team".

Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by FFRefresh on Friday April 30, 2021 @06:55PM (#27000589)
We'll have to agree to disagree here. I don't think whatever arbitrary legal structure there is around a group of people somehow makes the organization not human.

For example, I think it's perfectly normalized to say "that Detroit Lions team suffered a crushing defeat", even though the Detroit Lions are a profit-making enterprise.

Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by 8note on Friday April 30, 2021 @08:19PM (#27001439)
I'll go with, there is a group of people involved with a corporation, but it's largely decoupled from the corporation itself.

The group of people are the labourers being exploited, and they're separate from the group of owners that the corporation represents.

Re:Labor shortage or terrible jobs? by pupdogg on Friday April 30, 2021 @05:48PM (#26999812)
Good point, I can think of 1 right away: Toys-R-Us. Miss having them around!