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Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by tomp on Monday April 26, 2021 @06:08PM (#26948898)
If cyber-bullying is really that problematic, it should be a crime.

Schools aren’t called to solve crime; they should defer to the police.

Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by Balgair on Monday April 26, 2021 @10:19PM (#26951121)
I think the issue is if adolescent cyberbullying rises to the level of a crime.

Similar to the US military's idea of Non-Judicial Punishment[0] (drop and give me 50!), school administration often also has the lee-way of assigning punishment to students [1]. This punishment often does not rise to the level of a crime, but still requires action. Things like detention, cleaning toilets, scrubbing hallways, etc. Often, the bully is a minor themselves, and may not understand the implications of their effects. Giving them a police record may not be appropriate if a talking-to will stop the behavior.

SCOTUS's ruling will flesh out this idea a bit more, maybe. If they rule that school administration is able to punish as they see fit for this case, then cyberbullying may be seen as something that does not typically rise to the level of a crime. If they do not, then cyberbullying may need to be revisited as a more serious action on the part of minors.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-judicial_punishment

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_discipline

Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by haswell on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @02:36PM (#26959709)
I think it's also worth acknowledging the current climate and context of concerns about law enforcement in general. These issues are often deeply nuanced, and I don't think LEA is currently equipped to handle that nuance. The fact that the legal system isn't currently involved in some of these cases is arguably a good thing.
Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by giantg2 on Monday April 26, 2021 @06:33PM (#26949146)
Harrassment and terroristic threats are crimes (varies by location). Most of the nastier bullying could fit those.
Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by SiempreViernes on Monday April 26, 2021 @06:30PM (#26949109)
I'm confused: you say only the police should do something about it, so do you mean that society shouldn't try to prevent bullying, or that the police should run the schools?
Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by a1369209993 on Monday April 26, 2021 @07:16PM (#26949547)
I assume they mean (and I agree) that society should try to prevent bullying (that is, criminal harrasment) by reporting it to the police, not by engaging in vigilante 'justice', which is what any school discipline for off campus activity (and really, cancel culture in general) amounts to.

If you believe your vigilanteism is justified (because, and only because, the police won't or can't do their jobs) the onus is on you to clearly communicate that your actions are because the police won't or can't do their jobs, and to support that assertion with resonable evidence, in every single case.

Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by SiempreViernes on Monday April 26, 2021 @07:44PM (#26949767)
Uh, so if a kid needs a stern talking to you better call the police (and not their parents) is what you are saying?
Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by a1369209993 on Monday April 26, 2021 @08:41PM (#26950269)
If all they need is a stern talking to, then what they did isn't criminal harrassment.
Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by nl on Monday April 26, 2021 @10:52PM (#26951397)
So "stern talking to" is the only action a school is allowed to take?

If students know that then what exactly is the disincentive to engage in bullying that doesn't rise to the level of criminal harassment?

Shouldn't a school be a place someone learns appropriate behaviours with less risk of criminal sanctions? It seems that some form of punishment imposed by schools would be reasonable in some circumstances.

Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by a1369209993 on Monday April 26, 2021 @11:18PM (#26951597)
I am not sure how you got from "(responce <= stern talking to) implies !(severity >= criminal harassment)" to "(severity < criminal harassment) implies (responce <= stern talking to)"[0] via good-faith misinterpretation.

If they're making a nuisance of themselves at school, the school would presumably give them a detention, with repeat offences eventually resulting in expulsion. If they're making a nuisance of themselves elsewhere, the school is not involved. (Note that the latter applies to criminal actions as well; that's what the police are for.)

0: That is, from "X implies Y" to "Y implies X".

Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by nl on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @09:06AM (#26955314)
You seem to be making a bright line distinction between "at school" and "not at school".

This distinction doesn't really exist. Does "school" include virtual learning environments? School sports? Travelling to and from school or sports? Bullying that extends from school to out of school?

Traditionally, schools have always been responsible for these things or have taken actions that occurred out of school grounds into account.

I finished school in the early 1990s and students were expelled then for graffiti attacks out of the school, out if school hours, not in school uniform.

I don't see what is different or new here.

Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by a1369209993 on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @06:18PM (#26962558)
> I don't see what is different or new here.

That's fair as far as it goes, but I'm not claiming it's different or new; I'm claiming it's bad and needs to be stopped.

> Does "school" include virtual learning environments? School sports? Travelling to and from school or sports?

Probably. Probably. Debatably and depends on the mode of transport.

> Bullying that extends from school to out of school?

That's two items; yes to the former, no to the latter.

Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by foobarian on Monday April 26, 2021 @11:35PM (#26951702)
> with repeat offences eventually resulting in expulsion

Expulsion is not really on the table, at least in the U.S.

Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by tomp on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @02:05AM (#26952562)
I’m ok with schools “punishing” people for breaking social norms, but the punishment should be proportional - detention, extra homework, public shaming, etc.

But expulsion is something that will affect the person for the rest of their life. There should be significant burden of proof before such an action can be taken, and we already have a system (courts) to deal with that.

Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by Causality1 on Monday April 26, 2021 @11:28PM (#26951660)
You interpreted his comment in exactly the opposite of the way it was written, as best I can tell.
Re:Cheerleader’s Snapchat rant leads to ‘momentous’ Supreme ... by ipaddr on Tuesday April 27, 2021 @12:52AM (#26952133)
If someone is bullying online block them or call the police.

Going to parents is probably unwise for a variety of reasons. Possible could solve the issue but more likely will increase the drama without providing any real punishment.