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Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by cyberscientist on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:37PM (#26797925)
Let's be honest though, had Iran carried out such attack we would have called it a terrorist attack. I know you're about to go on about how awful Iranian regime is and they SAY they want Israel gone. But remember, Israel actually DOES carry out associations.
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by Zhenya on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:48PM (#26798116)
Terror attacks are against civilian targets - hence terrorizing civilians.

An attack like this is military - which could be carried out by terrorists or a govt.

The difference is important.

Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by pcbro141 on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:06PM (#26798414)
Are nuclear scientists civilians? Would it be acceptable for Iran to assassinate Israeli nuclear scientists in Israel?
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by ars on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:41PM (#26798977)
Nuclear scientists are not civilians, unless their work is entirely theoretical, without connection to actually building something.

> Would it be acceptable for Iran to assassinate Israeli nuclear scientists in Israel?

Acceptable? No. Terrorism? Also no.

A military attack is a thing you know. Not everything is terrorism.

Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by pcbro141 on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:54PM (#26799166)
I think it's a little murky given that they're not officially at war.

Anti-terrorism conventions define terrorism as explicitly including unlawful killings with the intent to intimidate a population, or to compel a government or an international organization to do or to abstain from doing any act.

Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by ars on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:59PM (#26800577)
Terrorism always involves an attack on civilians. An attack on a military facility could be an act of war, but never terrorism.
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by pcbro141 on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @07:14PM (#26800714)
The scientist I'm referring to (Mohsen Fakhrizadeh) was not killed as part of a legitimate strike on a military facility, he was killed in his car with his wife sitting in the seat next to him, on a road with many civilians around.

I am doubtful that Iranian agents doing these same actions to scientists in the US or Israel on the street would be considered a legitimate military action and not terrorism.

Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by ars on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:01PM (#26802460)
> The scientist I'm referring to (Mohsen Fakhrizadeh) was not killed as part of a legitimate strike on a military facility, he was killed in his car with his wife sitting in the seat next to him, on a road with many civilians around.

What are you talking about "facility"? The human, named Mohsen Fakhrizadeh, was a military target, since he was the head of the nuclear weapons program in Iran.

I'm unclear what the relevance of "many civilians around". Do you imagine military targets are always isolated with never any civilians near them?

> I am doubtful that Iranian agents doing these same actions to scientists in the US or Israel on the street would be considered a legitimate military action and not terrorism.

A scientist in the US or Israel working on developing a nuclear weapon would be a military target. Why does this surprise you?

There's a reason you don't know the names of any scientists in the US or Israel working on nuclear weapons: They would instantly become targets.

Do you imagine war is some kind of game where everyone is like "it's my turn now", and there's a referee?

Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by dang on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @03:07AM (#26803905)
You have a long history of posting flamewar comments to HN. Would you please stop doing that? I've banned a whole bunch of accounts on both sides of this hellish thread, and it's dismaying to see a long-established account like yours getting in there and dragging things deeper into hell along with all the trolls. This is not what HN is supposed to be for. Surely you know that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by dagenleg on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:15PM (#26798582)
What about the assassinations of Iranian scientists? Are they also "military" targets?
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by nullserver on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:59PM (#26799219)
Yes absolutely.
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by cyberscientist on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:55PM (#26798244)
Like your mental gymnastics. If Iran carries out such attacks on Israeli installations, who do have nuclear weapons. We would be framing it as terrorist attack. I think the narrative build that Iran is evil and Israel is devine only allows one side to do what they want till full blown out war breaks out.
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by whimsicalism on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:58PM (#26798275)
Both Iran and Israel carry out rogue bombing and assassinations targeting civilians.

This is in contrast to the MO of most of Europe and even the United States.

Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by fastball on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:50PM (#26798150)
Huh? I don't know how an attack on a military base could be less of a terrorist attack.
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by dmurray on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:55PM (#26799179)
The 2001 attack on the Pentagon is usually cast as a terrorist attack in the West. Words change: terrorism is now really more about who committs the attacks, and how much you like them, than the mode of attack or the target.
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by fastball on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:05PM (#26799310)
Pretty sure that is more due to conflation with the WTC than it is a double standard.
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by hpcjoe on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:52PM (#26798177)
I assume you mean "assassinations".

Iran funds and supports groups who have declared, and continue to make war on Israel as a proxy for themselves doing it. They are happy to expend every single one of their proxy armies and munitions if they can avoid the direct consequences of action.

The groups that Iran supports carry out assassinations. Kidnappings. Mass murder. Direct attacks on non-combatant populations, aka war crimes. They cyber attack where they can. They physically attack where they can get their cannon fodder to do the wet work.

So, what's your point? That Israel is "evil" for demonstrating dangerous teeth behind its deterrence?

Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by cyberscientist on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:01PM (#26798344)
I'm not defending iran.im just saying we build a narrative against one side. Look at your comment, everything you said about Iran usa, Britain and Israel does too. But you highlighted Iran's evil while we excuse "our own" side awful actions.
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by hpcjoe on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:37PM (#26798917)
"your own side" is quite revealing.

There's a game siblings sometimes play. One hits another. The injured party responds in kind. The first, the aggressor, calls their parents and complains that the second hit the first and was the aggressor. The second is then punished by the parent for aggression.

This has been the rhetorical, and effectively actual history of the conflicts since prior to the founding of Israel. Iran was a "friend" until they ... changed direction ... in 1979.

Israel is defending itself, actively, against existential threats. If the act of defending itself and its people causes you to label it as evil, that's your business.

Iran is not defending itself against existential threats. It is actively on the offense along multiple fronts. Its activities directly and indirectly cause death of non-combatants. That is, IMO, a very basic and simple definition of evil. This isn't defense. This is offense. For the express purpose of achieving the goals they have enthusiastically repeated for decades.

If you don't think that is evil, that is your business as well.

Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by cyberscientist on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:34PM (#26799623)
So Iran SAYS "Israel should be wiped out of the map", and that makes all ACTIONS (including boarder line terrorism) by Israel justified. Our way of buying into narratives and pushing them allows justifications for wars so easy. Just look at Iraq war. Narrative build and bought by us was that Sadam is bad and has bar weapons so let's go to war. Again I'm not defending Iran. In fact I really hate the regime. I'm just saying what's wrong is wrong no matter who does it.
Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by dang on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @03:05AM (#26803892)
Flamewar is not what this site is for. We've banned this account.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by c... by hpcjoe on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:07PM (#26799972)
As I noted, it's not what each say. It's what they do.

If you find yourself arguing against the entity that is the victim of the aggressor entity, I think you have some deep internal reflecting to do. Because such a position, is advocating against defending against actual attacks. Which the aggressor entity has done, in the open, through proxies, as well as in secret. Israel is not the aggressor entity.

If this is what you support, or cannot bring yourself to accept, and insist that this is "narrative" ...

Again, best thing to do is lots of internal reflection.