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Re:Surface Laptop 4 by rvz on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:02PM (#26797385)
Exactly. At least Microsoft has courage.

Unlike Apple who seems to like to solder everything onto the board, such that to fix the SSD would require an entirely new logic board and a trip to the Apple Store.

That alone makes the Surface 4 'look' like a good deal, but at the price of $1000? No thanks and no deal (For now).

Re:Surface Laptop 4 by klodolph on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:15PM (#26797578)
It's super weird to see this phrased as "courage". I can understand the desiderata--"I want a user-servicable laptop" is entirely a reasonable position--but framing this narrative as "courageous" is bizarre. It's all a mix of branding and utility.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by edaemon on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:41PM (#26797993)
I'm pretty sure they're referencing Apple saying it took "courage" to remove the iPhone's headphone jack.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by CrazyCatDog on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:22PM (#26802589)
And for my generation: the courage to ditch CD-ROM drives!
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by CoolGuySteve on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:24PM (#26797721)
If anything, Apple's environmental impact and their advertising around it is a staggeringly courageous amount of bullshit considering how hard they make it to service, upgrade, and repurpose old devices.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by lotsofpulp on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:25PM (#26799535)
I use my Apple devices for a substantially longer time than the alternative, so I would say I’ve probably consumed less.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by unishark on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:18PM (#26800096)
They generally have a much better resale value compared to other brands too. People are still buying old macs on ebay.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by fastball on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @09:36PM (#26801985)
I just listed my old mac on eBay yesterday. It's from 2015. Absolutely would not bother with any other laptop.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by dragontamer on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:58PM (#26799887)
"Courage", as well as "A sense of pride and accomplishment" means different things now, because some presentations have given those words new life.

In the case of "Courage", Apple branded their decision to remove the headphone jack as "courageous".

"A sense of pride and accomplishment" is from the Battlefront video games, when marketers were talking about some features that either cost hundreds-of-dollars, or literally hundreds of hours of gameplay to unlock.

Re:Surface Laptop 4 by unishark on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @06:25PM (#26800184)
What is the new meaning of the word "courage" then? I presume it just means a decision other than the "safe" option. It's a bit melodramatic, perhaps, but not really a new definition. From an individual perspective, someone may have felt they were sticking their necks out and were in danger of hurting their career if the decision led to backlash and a reversal.

(Talking about the audio jack change, no idea how making easy-to-maintenance parts is not the safe choice).

Re:Surface Laptop 4 by bobthechef on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @09:11PM (#26801829)
For one, courage is the mean between cowardice and recklessness. I.e., the pursuit of a good where the risk is rationally justifiable in proportion to the good.

Can't comment on whether the decision makers were being courageous or not in any way. Not sure any of us could.

Re:Surface Laptop 4 by drusepth on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:04PM (#26798386)
AFAIK, companies "having courage" has been a meme for a few years after Apple said it took great courage (or similar) to remove the headphone jack.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by crossroadsguy on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @09:42PM (#26802014)
I was actually considering it a lack of courage: that Apple is so insecure and concerned with its own lack of or zero innovation in last decade or so that it forces its customers to keep buying costly new devices and keep getting costly repairs by means like making devices unrepairable (e.g. literally using a new pin configuration in every other MacBook SSD which are non standard to start with), making devices breakable (glass backs?) etc.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by swordsmith on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:31PM (#26797824)
Compared to the pricetag of Macbooks, $1000 is a great deal, no?
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by FearlessNebula on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @04:23PM (#26798723)
The $999 Air will outperform this most likely. Build quality will be similar
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by alien_ on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:43PM (#26799733)
Yeah, the M1 will kill whatever CPU they'll put in this, I wish they had also an ARM version.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by addicted on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @08:23PM (#26801455)
I think MS has ARM based Surface laptops.

It's just that they're a joke compared to the M1.

Re:Surface Laptop 4 by sagarm on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @08:41PM (#26801592)
They have AMD options, not just Intel.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by wil421 on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:30PM (#26797806)
Really hoping that Jony Ive leaving will have a positive impact in regards to serviceability. Hopefully the blowback for their obsession with thinness was due to Ive.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by ValentineC on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:34PM (#26797886)
> At least Microsoft has courage.

I see what you did there: https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/7/12838024/apple-iphone-7-pl...

Re:Surface Laptop 4 by GeekyBear on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @10:12AM (#26807307)
>At least Microsoft has courage.

Is this the same Microsoft whose original Surface Laptop got the lowest repairability score that iFixit has ever given?

>According to iFixit, the Surface Laptop isn’t repairable at all. In fact, it got a 0 out of 10 for repairability and was labeled a “glue-filled monstrosity.” Ouch. That’s never happened before. The lowest scores previously were a 1 out of 10 for all previous iterations of the Surface Pro

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/251046-ifixit-labels-s...

Re:Surface Laptop 4 by crossroadsguy on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @09:37PM (#26801986)
Are you kidding me? SSD?

In 2012, 4-5 days after the purchase of my first and last MacBook Air, they gave me a quote that was half the price of the new MBA when a key cap just popped out. I literally was using it and it popped out.

Their reasoning: physical damage + (this is the kicker) in Air there’s no provision to repair the key or key cap, entire lower board/chassis needs to be replaced.

Yes just a key cap! I shouted to customer support. It was replaced. I decided I am not paying for another fruit company laptop. (In their defence they tried to pull this off in a country with pretty much no or no accessible consumer protection)

Re:Surface Laptop 4 by Toutouxc on Wednesday April 14, 2021 @06:40AM (#26805240)
I'm having a hard time believing that. The 2012 Air keyboard is a normal scissor keyboard, there's only the keycap and the scissor plastic thingy beneath it, you can literally repair it with a bit of superglue if you're lucky.

Was it Apple who told you this? Or a 3rd party service center? A reseller? What country did they try to pull this off in?

Re:Surface Laptop 4 by bsd44 on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @03:25PM (#26797748)
Soldering "everything" is not specific to Apple.
Re:Surface Laptop 4 by NetOpWibby on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @05:09PM (#26799356)
But boy, the crowd here loves to harp on it though.