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Re:School custodian refuses to download app that monitors lo... by shadowgovt on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:27AM (#26793573)
You previously asked about Google and Facebook employees.

If you connect your Android phone to your corporate Google account, you will be required to install the corp monitoring software suite, which (among other things) includes both location tracking and nuke-from-orbit features. The company does encourage you to configure your phone properly to keep your private info in a separate non-corp account to minimize undesired data leakage, since the corp side of things is assumed to be observable for security and corporate policy reasons (I can't remember right now if the nuke-from-orbit would wipe the private side of the phone's install also).

You can choose not to do this, though it will probably limit your career prospects in the long run (especially if you're SRE and need a convenient notification solution for when you're on-call). Although, honestly, if one doesn't trust Google's handling of private information, one should probably re-think one's employment relationship with them.

Anecdotally from my own observation, plenty of employees comply because they trust Google's handling of everyone's private info, including their own (and that's even given the understanding that Google's access to one's "private" info when one is working as an employee on corporate tasks can be more open... They won't snoop your personal Gmail account, but they absolutely reserve the right to investigate your corporate one, for example).

Re:School custodian refuses to download app that monitors lo... by silicon2401 on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:35AM (#26793727)
> You can choose not to do this, though it will probably limit your career prospects in the long run (especially if you're SRE and need a convenient notification solution for when you're on-call).

If a company wants me to be on-call or do any kind of mobile work, they can give me a phone. I let this slide at one job because it was a unicorn where I actually loved the job, but from then I've been able to get corporate phones and it's been key.

Re:School custodian refuses to download app that monitors lo... by shadowgovt on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:37AM (#26793775)
Oh, to be clear: Google will absolutely provide you a phone if you choose not to do this to your personal device.

... but if you're SRE oncall, you'll probably have that phone on you (or at least within hearing distance) at all times when you're on shift. I'd assumed the relevant issue was having a tracking device on your person your employer can access, not whether the employer was footing the bill for the tracking device they encourage you to have on your person.

Again anecdotally: most employees I know just set it up on their personal device. It's more convenient than carrying two devices around when one knows one'll be carrying a smartphone anyway.

Re:School custodian refuses to download app that monitors lo... by drewzero1 on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:51AM (#26794033)
I was slightly more alarmed by the "nuke from orbit" than the tracking, though they're both troubling enough. Not that I'm in much danger of working for Google anyway.
Re:School custodian refuses to download app that monitors lo... by shadowgovt on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:53AM (#26794068)
Probably worth noting that given the Cloud nature of almost all the Google apps, the opsec model here is that the phone is discardable. Your photos are backed up to Photos. Your mail is mirrored on Gmail. All your docs are in Drive. Your contacts are in Contacts. And so on.

You don't have precious, irretrievable data on that device anyway, because it's a phone (as in, "There's nothing Google's gonna do to your phone that wouldn't happen to it if you dropped it in a toilet, probably don't keep the only copy of your baby's first words on something that fragile").

Re:School custodian refuses to download app that monitors lo... by spathi_fwiffo on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:55AM (#26794106)
yes. beyond tracking there is also a spy app on your phone that can likely access personal data.

So, a separate device would save your from that part, at least.

Re:School custodian refuses to download app that monitors lo... by Spoom on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:52AM (#26794054)
> If you connect your Android phone to your corporate Google account, you will be required to install the corp monitoring software suite, which (among other things) includes both location tracking and nuke-from-orbit features.

My understanding is that on personally-owned Android devices, a work profile cannot specifically track location by itself. A force-installed app on the work profile could, but you can turn off location tracking on the work profile easily[1].

> The company does encourage you to configure your phone properly to keep your private info in a separate non-corp account to minimize undesired data leakage, since the corp side of things is assumed to be observable for security and corporate policy reasons (I can't remember right now if the nuke-from-orbit would wipe the private side of the phone's install also).

On personally-owned Android devices, a remote wipe only wipes the work profile. It doesn't touch the personal profile side[2].

Googler, opinions my own.

1. https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/7029265?hl=en...

2. https://support.google.com/work/android/answer/7502354?hl=en...

Re:School custodian refuses to download app that monitors lo... by Yizahi on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:44AM (#26793916)
Privacy aside, connecting private Google account to the corporate one is sooo extreme move nowadays, for both sides. Google may nuke whole account and everything linked to it without any way to appeal and reverse it. Then unless you happen o have a prominent Twitter account to complain and pray for some Google employee to stumble upon your post you are out of luck.
Re:School custodian refuses to download app that monitors lo... by danpalmer on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @11:45AM (#26793941)
Companies this size just give you a company phone.
Re:School custodian refuses to download app that monitors lo... by eptcyka on Tuesday April 13, 2021 @12:01PM (#26794247)
Would it not be possible to have 2 phones - a corporate one and a personal one?