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Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by BitwiseFool on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:26PM (#26730737)
I'm getting to the point where yes, I want to force these "private" companies to uphold civil liberties and principles such as innocent until proven guilty. I care way more about citizen freedom and expression than the concept of a "free market" which is a platonic ideal that has never existed and never will.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by anthonypasq on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:58PM (#26731169)
companies have speech rights that you would be infringing on by doing this
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by BitwiseFool on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:04PM (#26731257)
But why is a company's right to speech more important than a real person's civil rights? A company is a mere legal fiction and it's rights should not be given equal weight to those of actual human beings, especially for a corporation as large as Amazon.

Edit: I know the issue becomes murkier for things like mom and pop shops and sole proprietorships, but I am willing to make distinctions based on scale.

Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by a1369209993 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:02PM (#26732685)
> the issue becomes murkier for things like mom and pop shops and sole proprietorships

No it doesn't. The mom, the pop, and the sole proprietor are people; they have rights, which certain curtailments of their business might interfere with. The businesses themselves do not.

Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by ctdonath on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:19PM (#26731466)
Because a company is a group of real people making decisions together. There is no “legal fiction” deciding to not associate with certain others.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by BitwiseFool on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:29PM (#26731622)
I still fail to see how that coordinated group of people motivated by profit takes precedence over the civil rights of an individual.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by Goronmon on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:40PM (#26731730)
I fail to see how an individual loses their civil rights just because they joined a "coordinated group of people".
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by BitwiseFool on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @06:04PM (#26732008)
The individual who joined the "coordinated group of people" (the corporation) still have their individual civil rights, but the legal entity they constitute should not have it's rights valued on the same level as individual human beings.

If the corporation is being seen as a single entity then you should not consider it's employees' individual rights as the same thing. Or even combine them together to give more weight to the corporation's rights.

Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by ctdonath on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:41PM (#26731736)
Freedom of association inherently involves groups of individual people mutually deciding to not associate with particular individuals.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by yeetawayhn on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:18PM (#26731460)
"Corporations are people too, my friend."
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by notamy on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @06:37PM (#26732400)
I'll believe it when Texas executes one.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by tw04 on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:32PM (#26730816)
Sure it exists, but you need collective bargaining for it to be a level playing field. Content creators want to fight back against Twitch? Form a union.
Re:Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs... by morelisp on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @04:58PM (#26731162)
This is the correct, and only viable, solution.

https://www.boundary2.org/2018/07/mueller/

The labor of digital creatives and innovators, sutured as it is to a technical apparatus fashioned from dead labor and meant for producing commodities for profit, is therefore already socialized. While some of this socialization is apparent in peer production, much of it is mystified through the real abstraction of commodity fetishism, which masks socialization under wage relations and contracts. Rather than further rely on these contracts to better benefit digital artisans, a Marxist politics of digital culture would begin from the fact of socialization, and as Radhika Desai (2011) argues, take seriously Marx’s call for “a general organization of labour in society” via political organizations such as unions and labor parties. Creative workers could align with others in the production chain as a class of laborers rather than as an assortment of individual producers, and form the kinds of organizations, such as unions, that have been the vehicles of class politics, with the aim of controlling society’s means of production, not simply one’s “own” tools or products. These would be bonds of solidarity, not bonds of market transactions. Then the apparatus of digital cultural production might be controlled democratically, rather than by the despotism of markets and private profit.